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Post by chibikitty2045 »

I hope not to get reported.
I will just have to cut back on ebay.
Its a HUGE chunk out of my pocket for something I paid double for 99% of the time.
With the listing fee, the FVF the paypal fee, they are getting a pretty penny out of me. I just paid $60 paypal invoice for the auctions I just had and that is with all the basics (no extra pics ect) put in :hurt:

I hope that no one does report me, but it looks like the end of ebay for me at least
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If you've been a seller for several years then you can opt out on paypal unless you sell in Gift Certificates, Video Games, Cell Phones, Computers and Consumer Electronics.
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Thanks, but as a longtime seller, I'm also aware of what I can and cannot do.

You fail to see the point, and unless you sell, fortunately for you, you will never really understand. eBay abuses the sellers, buries them under rules, overcharges them, forbids them to recoup the huge percentage of profit that is swallowed by endless fees, sits and nods while buyers rip them off through PayPal chargebacks - including on things they didn't want to take PP for in the first place, won't let them leave negative feedback no matter how sour the transaction went - and on and on and on. I don't have to be effected by the newest rule in order to be annoyed by it.

Take note of chibikitty's comment, though. While sellers who buy cheap in quantity will always be around to peddle their toasters, specialty sellers are seriously starting to abandon ship. I know that I, for one, save my good stuff for private sales these days...and people who buy primarily on eBay will never even see it. But hey, at least they don't have to cover the PayPal fees. ;)
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Oh I know, that's why I never would sell on ebay. It's a greedy corporation. I'm even wary of buying on ebay lately because of all of the problems that have arisen.
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bran-chan wrote:Oh I know, that's why I never would sell on ebay.
:crackup Smart woman.
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bran-chan wrote:If you've been a seller for several years then you can opt out on paypal unless you sell in Gift Certificates, Video Games, Cell Phones, Computers and Consumer Electronics.
Groooan. You've got to be kidding me. :(

See, my beef is that I hardly ever sell stuff, and so I don't really think I need a premier or business account. *siiiiigh*

My little sister wants me to sell her video game, too. There's no way on earth that I'm going to be upgrading my account just for that. :x
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lcatino wrote:In any case, it is stupid for ebay to force sellers to offer paypal. :wack I hate paypal, and I've never even sold on ebay. :kaioken They're customer service sucks. 'roll
I have to disagree here. I had problems with them earlier this year. But in my case, their final resolution to my situation was wonderful. I can't say more nice things about them. I spoke with very nice customer services reps. :^^: Then again, I've been a premier member for about 7 years. :wink:
lcatino wrote:Hmmm.. I did not know you needed a special paypal account to accept credit cards. :o I use mine very often for ebay and non ebay transactions.
You only need a premier account if you're a seller and want to sell on ebay or accept a credit card. I think as just a regular member you can pay via credit but only accept direct transfers if you're receiving money.

As another long time seller on ebay, I can tell you the fees are killer. When asked by a buyer of mine why I charged them $8 for shipping when they received the package stating $6.50, I told them that quite clearly stated in my auctions is the flat rate shipping of $8. I apparently didn't pack it with enough heavy material to make it hit $8. Said buyer wanted their $1.50 back (I'm not kidding) so I explained again how it was stated in the auction so no refund. That buyer had "read and accepted" that fact before bidding regardless of the actual price. (Sorry, I don't own a scale and don't have time to calculate individual states. This works for me.) Said buyer continued to complain about the "profit" I was making. So I gladly listed out all the fees. :wink: "Profit" my butt! :x The $1.50 might have covered the listing fee. There was still the final value fee and the PayPal fee to consider. :hurt:

It's rough but it's still a very visable market so I use what I can when I can. :) You'll see sellers like me starting auctions at $xx.99. Why? Seriously, that 1 cent can make a 25 cent difference in a listing fee. :roll: But for quick money and fast sales, it is the way to go.

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so not to hi-jack the thread - but this thread has gotten me really concerned with ebay and especially paypal. I've some items that I've wanted to sell forever and it maybe that I'm getting around to it soon and it's troubling what I'm finding that ebay / paypal is doing to the sellers:

1. fees from both of them seem to be outrageous - I think my 'guesstimate' was at about 10% of your final selling price goes to fees to the two entities.

2. you can no longer limit how a buyer pays using paypal (via credit / debit card or bank transfers) as I've seen some options in the past. If you and a personal account and you show a paypal acceptance on your auction, you MUST also accept credit cards (and basically upgrade to a premiere account in the process). This is totally unfair to smalltime sellers (like most of us are) as the fees would eat up any money a seller might make on items.

3. with certain limits, paypal seems to be one of the very few options available on Ebay. You can't use google checkout, you can't use this, you can't use that... geesh...

maybe I should just give the stuff to my local goodwill / salvation army instead of selling it...
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3. with certain limits, paypal seems to be one of the very few options available on Ebay. You can't use google checkout, you can't use this, you can't use that... geesh...

maybe I should just give the stuff to my local goodwill / salvation army instead of selling it...
You would still make off better then with paypal and ebay, as you could use it as a tax right off :(
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buma wrote:2. you can no longer limit how a buyer pays using paypal (via credit / debit card or bank transfers) as I've seen some options in the past. If you and a personal account and you show a paypal acceptance on your auction, you MUST also accept credit cards (and basically upgrade to a premiere account in the process). This is totally unfair to smalltime sellers (like most of us are) as the fees would eat up any money a seller might make on items.
Yep, you have to upgrade to accept Paypal, even if the buyer is not using a credit or debit card. In fact, even if buyers sign in through their Paypal account to pay, if they fill out the form with the Ebay auction ID, etc, Paypal will force the seller to upgrade before accepting payment.

For the past two years, Ebay has been shutting down auctions that state they won't accept credit card payments from Paypal. Believe me, I know--I used to include the pp logo and state that I wouldn't accept cc or debit payments. It worked for a few round of auctions, but then an entire set got canceled. Their excuse? That it is not "fair" to buyers. BS. :x Granted, there aren't many places out there that don't accept credit cards, but there are some instances. For example, I wouldn't expect every dealer at a small con to accept them. I certainly wouldn't expect the little old lady at a yard sale to accept them. Ebay used to be America's online yard sale. Not anymore, I guess. :x If a store does not accept credit cards, well, you either pay a different way or go to a different store. Simple as that.

My next tactic was to not include the Paypal logo, but state in my auctions that I will accept pp payments, but not cc or debit ones. That lasted for one round of auctions, I believe, and then I got canceled again. :?

Now, I don't list pp, but I say that if anyone has another method of payment in mind, please contact me and we'll try to work it out.

Heh, I know that all sounds a little crazy, but really, Ebay made me angry when they canceled that first set of auctions about two years ago. If they had done something like sent me an email, explaining that I needed to upgrade my account, I would have done so.

Maybe then Ebay would now be $10 richer. Their loss. :P
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klet wrote: Now, I don't list pp, but I say that if anyone has another method of payment in mind, please contact me and we'll try to work it out.
so Klet, how is that tactic working for you so far? I thought that would be my only option (other than using Xoom or something like that) to get around the whole forced upgrade path...

and by the way, reading so many horror stories on www.paypalsucks.com is really scaring me...
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buma wrote:
and by the way, reading so many horror stories on www.paypalsucks.com is really scaring me...
Yeah, I also found that website after doing some research when I had problems with them. It is a little disturbing. They really can do whatever they want, and offer no explanation for their actions. At least that's how it was in my case. :wack
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buma wrote:maybe I should just give the stuff to my local goodwill / salvation army instead of selling it...
Honestly? It depends on what it is and how much you can charge for it. It's possible that the tax credit you'd receive is higher than the money you'd make on the sale...or it could be that the bother for a small amount of profit isn't worth your time. Personally, I'd hesitate to sell anything that would go for under $30 or so, since it's a flat 8.75% final value fee for everything up to $25. Not worth the money or aggravation, as far as I'm concerned.

A couple of days ago, I sold a sketch set with a BIN of $49.99, plus $5 for shipping. eBay charged $1.20 for listing and $3.06 for final value, while PayPal charged $1.89 - bringing the grand total to $6.15 in fees on the $54.99 I received...i.e. more, in fact, than 10%.
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Post by chibikitty2045 »

Hi all

well I didnt have the day off as planned on wednesday but I did today
Everyone's cels went out tonight and you will be getting tracking numbers in the morning so please do not panic :)
If you have any questions please contact me

thank you


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buma wrote:
klet wrote: Now, I don't list pp, but I say that if anyone has another method of payment in mind, please contact me and we'll try to work it out.
so Klet, how is that tactic working for you so far? I thought that would be my only option (other than using Xoom or something like that) to get around the whole forced upgrade path...

and by the way, reading so many horror stories on www.paypalsucks.com is really scaring me...
Honestly, I've probably lost bids. But, then again, not much that I sell is worth much to begin with. Whatever extra money I would have made by accepting pp would probably be eaten up by the pp fees. X|

I've never really had any problems with people paying me. In my invoices, I explain that I have a personal account etc, etc, and then they either ask me for the address or send me payment in the mail.
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