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Not Sir Phobos wrote:12 Angry Men
Exactly what bad guy won in that film? I've seen both versions(Fonda version is hands down better). The one voice of reason got all of the jurors to do the right thing, and the boy got a fair trial and judgement.

Also have issue with...

True Romance- Clarence and Alabama weren't bad guys. OK, they sold some dope, but it was their only ticket to having a good life together. The only people they killed were a pimp and a hitman, both of whom tried to kill them first. Sorry, I know I'm a pain, but I LOVE that film and the characters.

Dirty Harry- Harry is an anti-hero, not a criminal.

Reservoir Dogs- All of the men who robbed the store died in the end. I don't think that counts as a win. And no, Mr. Pink didn't live(listen close, and you can hear him go down in a hail of bullets outside).

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I wonder if someone whose career choice is rooted in antisocial tendencies even cares if the movie bad guys fall in a hail of bullets. I don't think empathy is really their strong suit. /hmm
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JWR wrote: Fallen
I don't think Fallen is about criminals, it's about Evil.
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Dirty Harry is an anti-hero because he doesn’t follow the law. In the movies, the law gets in the way of supposedly what’s really true justice.

They die in Reservoir Dogs but they’re the protagonists.

Oh, yeah there’s also Good Fellas
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blueheaven wrote:
Not Sir Phobos wrote:12 Angry Men
Exactly what bad guy won in that film? I've seen both versions(Fonda version is hands down better). The one voice of reason got all of the jurors to do the right thing, and the boy got a fair trial and judgement.
As I understood the question was "what movies would you watch" not "list movies where the bad guys win".
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In_Gabriel_We_Trust wrote: Suppose you are on the wrong side of the law.
You could be a thief, a bankrobber, a drugsdealer, a crooked cop, a murderer, a member of the maffia (that doesn't exist by the way)...

The question is : what kind of movies are you going to watch ?
The bad guys always bite the dust. And if you are criminal, you'll identify with the bad guys, no ?
Every character in the movies that is "you" will be on the losing side at the end of the movie.
I'm listing movies where the bad guys win because in those movies they're not on the "losing side", or even if they are the audiance is supposed to understand them.

Even if the characters die, in the movie they can still win in some manner or they can be shown as being made to act against the law for some reason.
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I'm just completely off base then.

I'm gonna have to go with:

Md Geist 1 and 2
The Way of the Gun
and The sound of music
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In_Gabriel_We_Trust wrote:
JWR wrote: Fallen
I don't think Fallen is about criminals, it's about Evil.
Well the Bad Guy (entity) wins
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And about criminals it is about Evil is [quoteIn_Gabriel_We_Trust][quoteJWR]
Fallen[quote]

he or she do not think Fallen.
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Not Sir Phobos wrote:.....The Way of the Gun
Great movie! Nobody really wins...but it does accurately portray "the life".
Plus, the beginning is just so precious. :evilblk
The sound of music
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transmet wrote:Great movie! Nobody really wins...but it does accurately portray "the life". Plus, the beginning is just so precious.
JLH getting a broken nose. Gotta love it. Plus Benicio Del Toro is a god.
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And in so many movies the villains are just so much cooler than the heroes, you know? Even if they do lose, sometimes you find yourself rooting for them anyway. Although going with NSP "Sound of Music" anwer, I could see a "bad guy" being a softie for sentimental favorites. Mary Poppins, or instance. Or maybe raunchy comedy like Porkys or goofy stuff like Police Academy.
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The bad guys won in "The Hill" with Sean Connery. :(
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Let me think of some movies with either sympathetic, or identifiable lead criminals, nut jobs, and men above the law
Le Samurai
Taxi Driver
The Godfather
Un Flic
The Day of the Jackal
La Femme Nikita
Unforgiven
Ronin
The Score
The Wild bunch
Reservoir Dogs
Dirty Harry
Silence of the Lambs
Dog day afternoon
White Heat
Straw Dogs
Double Indemnity

I wonder if Batman, or the Punisher count as criminals?
Are they neccessarily bad guys?

Taxi Driver----- Id argue about Travis Bickle, given the ending, but he is listed on the AFI best villains list, so he must count.
The Day of the Jackal---------- oh he is totally! This guy is the bad James Bond!
Unforgiven------- I don't know---- this character is more like an apology to Eastwoods earlier man with no name roles.
Reservoir Dogs-------- about that Mr.Pink remark (i cant remember who said it), I read an article that proposed he could have survived---- if you take his flashback and put it at the end, the movie could still make sense, right?
Dirty Harry------- vigilantism? Anti-hero?
Silence of the Lambs--------- creepy.
Straw Dogs------- Revenge!!

I wonder if Batman and the Punisher count as criminals too. It's vigilantism right? Theyre anti-heroes.


ANYWAY--------- 2 really good movies with 2 REALLY GOOD VILLAINS that win in the end are.......
A Shock To The System
The Vanishing (the original one, havent seen the remake)

Seriously. These are two of the best villains to have ever appeard onscreen.
Keep on keepin' on Dilandau.

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