X men III

kymaera · Post by **kymaera** » Sun May 28, 2006 9:46 am

I thought it was decent. It could've been better, but then it, it could've been
a lot worse.

One of the major problems (vs. the comics) is that the movies don't have
the emotional impact of the comics as far as the Phoenix storyline goes. In
the comics, they had years to build up the Jean-Scott relationship so that
people actually cared about what happened. In the movies, Cyclops/Jean
didn't get a lot of screen time due to the ensemble case before she died, so
her death in the second movie didn't have a lot of impact. Then, in the third,
Cyclops continues to get shorted as he should've been one of the central
figures. But they give what should've been his role to Wolverine since that's
a more popular character.

I also think they went too far with the deaths/depowerings. Having fewer
would've had more impact. Also, the big cast works against them as several
characters really don't have much of a purpose and don't get fleshed out
too much. For example, Juggernaut was very bland and generic in general.

The strength of the movies has always been the casting and that
continues here. All of the actors pulled off their characters very well
considering the screen time they had. Pretty much all of them, I could
see how the characters would look/act that way. (Though, Colossus isn't
Russian in the movies)

GuyvarIII · Post by **GuyvarIII** » Sun May 28, 2006 1:36 pm

My expectations were low, but because I like the X-Men Comic series and the Cartoons, I still felt disappointed. The movie went off in too many directions and never supplied enough back-story to make any of them interesting.

What I didn’t like:

1. The relationship between Angel/Archangel and his father was hinted at, but never really explained.

2. The mutant kid’s isolation was hinted at but never explored.

3. During the two other movies, I never thought there was any decent character development for any of the X-Men, except Wolverine and Rogue, and there still isn’t any in this movie.

4. All the scenes that were supposed to make you feel some kind of sympathy for Rogue seemed like a rehash of scenes that were supposed to make you feel some kind of sympathy for Rogue from the other movies, except they were done even worse.

5. The "big scene" of Magneto with the bridge; was similar to the "big scene" of the Phoenix in Alchatraz; which was similar to the scene with Magneto and the truck convoy; which was similar to the beginning in the Danger Room. I don’t care that the movie itself pointed out the similarity between them, they were still boring.

6. People kept on dying but after awhile it just seemed silly. During the supposed emotional scenes there was audible laughter in the theater because they were stupid. I never liked the movie versions of the X-Men (except Wolverine, Rogue, and maybe Mystique because of her costume (or lack of).) I hate the casting of Halley Berry as Storm. Storm should be more like Angela Bassett. They should’ve killed more of them.

I liked the scene with Wolverine and the Phoenix/Jean Grey ("I don’t want to fix it!") but it was a lot like the scene between Wolverine and Mystique in part 2. None of the fights were as good as the Wolverine cage match from part 1.

I guess Magneto will have to work his way back to badassness-
Step 1: Chess Piece Wiggling; Step 2: Wind Chimes; Step 3: Bending Metal Spoons; and so on.

blueheaven · Post by **blueheaven** » Sun May 28, 2006 2:37 pm

Another good idea for the next film would be Fatal Attractions, since it was Wolverine who duped Magneto into losing his powers. This may be the event that drives Magneto to do the worst to Logan, and pull out his Adamantium. This would lead to a solo film for Logan, who leaves the X-Men and has some adventures on his own(perhaps a Sabretooth battle, or something with Alpha Flight).

Ms. Poe · Post by **Ms. Poe** » Sun May 28, 2006 3:16 pm

I just got back from watching it. Seriously...This is one of the WORST movies I have ever seen. It was like the Matrix Trilogy...It all lead up to THIS?!?!

Majin_Vegeta_2028 · Post by **Majin_Vegeta_2028** » Sun May 28, 2006 8:28 pm

saw the movie, thought it was alright
i missed the after credits stuff though

... thanks PM vampy

i think it would be cool in the next movie if they had some cross over
characters like spiderman show up

kymaera wrote:Though, Colossus isn't Russian in the movies

no hes Canadian

... funny story, my best friend played rugby with him
on the national under 23 team a coulple years ago.... hes a very big boy

ps - loved the ghost rider trailer

.... i dont know about nic cage though,
guess we'll just have to wait and see.

blueheaven · Post by **blueheaven** » Sun May 28, 2006 9:48 pm

It's hard to charge a movie like this with poor character development. To begin with, the origins of these characters has been so convoluted over the past decade that it makes it a moot point. Second, to develop the sheer number of characters and still keep it interesting, it would take a 3.5 hour film(Ang Lee tried it with the Hulk, and was crucified for it). With these kinds of films, I am satisfied with good action, interesting characters, and great effects. The side characters didn't warrant much development because of their limited role in things. I would like to see a Wolvie solo flick that goes into his past. IMO, the only comic book films in the past ten years that really developed their characters was Batman Begins, Hulk, Spiderman, and Ghost World.

kymaera · Post by **kymaera** » Mon May 29, 2006 12:28 pm

There are supposedly sign-off films in the works starring Wolverine and
Magneto, so some of you may get your wish.

Though, no one has mentioned one of the big problems with how they dealt
with Phoenix:

Why kill her instead of using the cure? In the comics, it made sense because
the cure didn't exist at that time. But with it existing, it doesn't.

blueheaven · Post by **blueheaven** » Mon May 29, 2006 1:09 pm

kymaera wrote:
Though, no one has mentioned one of the big problems with how they dealt
with Phoenix:

Why kill her instead of using the cure? In the comics, it made sense because
the cure didn't exist at that time. But with it existing, it doesn't.

Part of it might be due to the fact that she wanted to die, rather than live with the fact that she had done such horrible things. The cure would have neutralized her powers, but not her schizophrenia and remorse. Plus, it was quite apparent that they tried to shoot her with the cure, but she easily stopped them. She wanted to die, and she wanted Wolverine to do it.

In_Gabriel_We_Trust · Post by **In_Gabriel_We_Trust** » Mon May 29, 2006 2:46 pm

kymaera wrote:I thought it was decent. It could've been better, but then it, it could've been
a lot worse.

Also, the big cast works against them as several
characters really don't have much of a purpose and don't get fleshed out
too much. For example, Juggernaut was very bland and generic in general.

The strength of the movies has always been the casting and that
continues here. All of the actors pulled off their characters very well
considering the screen time they had. Pretty much all of them, I could
see how the characters would look/act that way. (Though, Colossus isn't
Russian in the movies)

I have to agree on those three points.

I've got 3 main problems with the 2nd and 3rd movie.

1) It's "X-Men". Not "The Amazing Wolverine and the people with an X on their shirts".

2) This movie either uses the most boring characters or makes them uninteresting.
Iceman, Kitty Pryde, Angel, Rogue (I had a huge crush on her first cartoon-version because of the voice

),... are downright uninteresting and boring. I don't want to see a movie about these X-Babies.

With seventeen kajillion X-characters running around, how the heck did the bottom of the character-barrel-dwellers like Callisto, Arclight and (who the f... is) Kid Omega end up in this movie? And get speaking parts none the less.
The one new character that blew me away with his charisma and attitude only had two lines : Jamie Madrox.

3) This movie had a real edge to it which I liked. (The way Maggie deals with the two first cars in the convoy is downright horrific and had the biggest impact on me.) What I did miss was the humour of the first movie. I can't remember a single joke in the entire movie. I know it's virtually impossible to top the famous line "What's a magneto?" but they could have had at least a shot at some snickering.

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » Mon May 29, 2006 2:47 pm

Surely there are a few exceptions. Which way is that?

jcaliff · Post by **jcaliff** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:38 am

The biggest problem I had with the ending was

it seemed like throughout the movie they had been building up to something with Leech. Him being the source of the cure, Magneto trying to kill him. It would have made more sense and a better ending for his presence to have somehow negated Jean's abilities. Instead it turns into the Wolverine/Jean show, and I don't ship that way.

Would have much preferred Scott, but whatever.