Ghost Rider - What the hell?

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:19 pm

Pretty much, eh?

RoboFlonne · Post by **RoboFlonne** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:54 pm

SilverSurfer's great!

I didn't know he could phase through objects! I thought he had ice powers.

It's been a long time...

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:54 pm

So I taught you something new.

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:42 pm

You can see Surfer's junk in that trailer.

Movie looks good, enhanced entirely by that screen cap.

Seriously tho, looks like it'll be better than part 1.

Edit: Ohh, they showed a new trailer during The Office for GR. Looks much better when the trailers are serious. The "Bad to the Bone" one was driving me bonkers. They finally showed a snippet of Black Heart. Very nice make-up effects on him! Thank god, I was worried. Still, Peter Fonda saying "Nice bike" is like nails on a blackboard

I wonder, will it make more than the $120 mil it cost to make? Can't tell...

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:59 pm

Ohhhh, more bad news for Ghost Rider. Sony is not allowing critics to prescreen the movie. That is always a bad sign. Sony knows they have a potential bomb on their hands, big surprise.

Sony Stiffs the Scribes

Ok, so, if no one is allowed to screen the movie, then how did this person? Ain't It Cool News. Everyone seems to think it's a studio plant. Wouldn't doubt it. Hilarious.

aernath · Post by **aernath** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:20 am

Dang, and I was so excited to see they were even making a Ghost Rider movie at all.

Yeah, I'll have to see it anyway, even if it is a mess.

Never really liked whatsisface, he always creeps me out a bit. Cage. That's it. (getting older... mind is gooooing...) *gets the creepy shivers just thinking about Cage*

(heh, but the shot of Silver Surfer's junk just cracks me up!

) Thanks Toni!!!

majinuub · Post by **majinuub** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:32 pm

I remember when I 1st saw the preview for the movie in the theaters. My cousin was with me and was just as disgusted as you are by not only Cage, but fear that her fav character will be sullied by the movie. The preview we saw kinda sucked. Then again I rarely get excited over movie previews(even spiderman 3, which stars my fav. villian).

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:21 pm

Saw the movie tonight. Gonna make this short and sweet: it sucks. Royally. It didn't let me down, it couldn't. My expectations were impossibly low from the start, so this movie didn't let me down.

The plot is illogical, Rider's powers are lame and idiotic (hell fire burns the SOUL, not every fucking thing around...geez), Peter Fonda is wearing Gary Oldman's Dracula wig, Black Heart is not impressive in the least and Rider never fights. That's right, he NEVER fights. There's no hard knuckled, bare fisted (pun intended) knock down, drag out melee combat of any kind. He swings his chains around like Catwoman's whip and that's it. None of the battles last for more than a minute.

Nothing makes sense. One minute, Rider can burn anything with fire. You apparently can't come close to him, or you'll burn (a lizard in the desert learned that lesson), he even manages to set off a sprinkler system and burn iron bars. Ok, fine, but why can Roxanne touch his face and not burn? Why does Rider's flame turn blue when he looks at her? Blaze is apparently this world renowned stunt man who tells himself to live without fear (sound familiar?). And the curse would be..? He doesn't seem like a tortured, lonely soul to me. Instead, he's a monkey obsessed, jelly bean muncher.

Apparently "there's a rider for every generation." Alright. So why exactly was there a 150 year gap between Riders? Are Riders immortal too? Why doesn't the devil have ANY control over Rider? The Devil is a wuss, through and through.

Grandpa Cage does his best/worst Elvis impression throughout the film. There's a scene where you see a topless Cage in a mirror reflection. I do not, for one second, buy that that is actually Cage's body. I think it's CG or something, because you only see his ripped body in a reflection. There's never any scenes of a shirtless Cage, even when he's wounded and being sewn up (which apparently doesn't hurt him at all? Why? I have no clue).

The first few minutes of the movie are the best. When Matt Long is Johnny and you think the movie is going to be kinda good. But don't be fooled by that intro, the movie stinks. I thought it was impossible to ruin a comic property like Ghost Rider. It has the ideal story elements for a good movie. Hell, this could've been a non-stop action, pop corn flick, but it wasn't! It didn't even deliver the goods!

Ugh, god. There's nothing else to say. The movie just plain sucks. Stan Lee doesn't even bother making a cameo, what does that tell you?!

minigt · Post by **minigt** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:44 pm

I saw it last night. Some of the action sceens were pretty cool but basically the whole story line / acting is pretty rubbish.
I would have to say the Punisher Movie was better and for anyone who has seen the Punisher movie, that was pretty bad.

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:55 pm

Ah, I loved The Punisher. It was a lot like those big explosion action movies from the 80s, like Commando or Cobra. Tom Jane really embodied the spirit of the Punisher, whereas Nick Cage doesn't embody anything (yeah, even his blue contacts didn't help, imagine that!)

I think the Punisher was an overlooked movie. It bothered to make references to the source material for the fans (like the Russian). Ghost Rider didn't bother to do that at all. Couldn't his best friend have been named Daniel Ketch as a joke? A nod to the fans would've been cool. The Hulk movie made several allusions to the live action TV series, including borrowing major plot elements and character names (David Banner, for instance).

Ghost Rider just didn't try.

Keropi · Post by **Keropi** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:07 pm

That's too bad. I was hoping it would be better.

Is this the first of the Marvel-involved production movies or was the first one the Fanatastic Four movie?

What new franchise movies does Marvel have upcoming? I haven't been following news about them recently.

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:20 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fi ... vel_Comics

Keropi · Post by **Keropi** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:41 pm

So actually the first Marvel Studios production in this run would be Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk. Ghost Rider is not a part of it eh?

I feel slightly better now.

Hmm...Captain America would be an easy movie to mess up and turn corny if they do it incorrectly. I feel pessimistic about them doing it right.

***steals a quick glance at his three boxes of Captain America comic books**

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:41 am

The list for released Marvel movies is:

* Blade (1998)
* X-Men (2000)
* Blade II (2002)
* Spider-Man (2002)
* Daredevil (2003)
* X2: X-Men United (2003)
* Hulk (2003)
* The Punisher (2004)
* Spider-Man 2 (2004)
* Blade: Trinity (2004)
* Elektra (2005)
* Fantastic Four (2005)
* X-Men: The Last Stand (2006)
* Ghost Rider (2007)

Every one of them has the Marvel logo at the beginning and was produced by Avi Arad (he produces everything Marvel, I can't think of one of the Marvel movies he hasn't funded so far). There is a side production company at Marvel which handles the animated films, but it's still Marvel. The first Marvel movie was Blade and goes from there. Ghost Rider is the latest one. Different studios handle different things, but Marvel is still the umbrella on the project. It's how they're capable of producing so many movies so quickly (DC has half as many comic movies produced than Marvel for this reason).

Marvel was bankrupt for awhile, so I imagine them forming their own studio allows them to control the films more (not to mention the budget/profits). There are fewer DC films produced, but I think the majority of them tend to be superior in quality. This might be why Marvel has developed their own studio. They are still working with Fox and Columbia Pictures for some comic movies, but this may be the result of contracts formed before the Marvel studio was established. These movies are:

* Spider-Man 3 (2007)
* Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007)
* Luke Cage (Columbia Pictures)
* Magneto (20th Century Fox)
* The Punisher 2 (Lions Gate/Sony)
* Wolverine (20th Century Fox)
* Spider-Man 4 (Columbia Pictures)
* X-Men 4 (20th Century Fox)
* Ghost Rider 2 (Columbia Pictures)

Some of these films may get the axe, like Ghost Rider 2 if it doesn't do well at the box office. Just depends.

blueheaven · Post by **blueheaven** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:20 am

Ugh. I remember that ghastly Captain America flick they did a while back. He is such a corny superhero that they really should not try. Here's a list of comics that should be movies(and only if they are rated R)...

The Authority
Milk and Cheese
Madman
Preacher
The Watchmen
Death: The High Cost of Living
Kingdom Come
Deadpool

I also thought the Punisher was underappreciated. It went with old school action instead of silly CG effects. It was as gritty as it needed to be. And it really tied in with the current Garth Ennis version of Frank Castle.

I also liked the Hulk. The only reason it got panned was that it took over an hour to see the Hulk. What people forgot was that in that hour there was some great action and deep dialogue happening to build the characters. Ang Lee also used innovative comic paneling shots that really made it seem like a comic come to life(later used in Sin City).