Vegetarianism...not bad

Sylia · Post by **Sylia** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:55 am

Yeah, pescatarianism is different from vegetarianism. I hate it when I say I'm vegetarian and people ask if I still eat fish and chicken. A fish is still an animal. Has a heart and lungs and brain and all that stuff. It's a very simple distinction lol.

As to everything else, I doubt people are paying attention to how many studies justify their choices when choosing a lifestyle option. But if it makes you feel better, sure. The vegetarian debate clearly doesn't limit the clash of egos, that's for sure XD

Killua · Post by **Killua** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:53 pm

blueheaven wrote:Many of your "studies" were published in journals, and they were anything but serious in their approach. Get a library card, they're free. You can say that I had my mind made up beforehand, but I used simple logic to poke holes in your "studies" (which you obviously didn't even take the time to read).

I disagree with several of the lpoints you raised but don't have the time to confront each one. You're correct that I didn't take the time to read through each one, as the listing of them was in support of a point I had made that you can find a ton of studies easily supporting what I believe to be the truth about veganism and infants/young adolescents.

Personally I don't think it's top debating form to insist that this one study in this book which was perfect in every way and irrefutably makes my point exists but if you want to see it you have to go and get that book and that if you want to prove your point you have to go thoroughly through a study breaking down the exact diet the vegan children were on, that this diet has to be "complete" (what exactly does this mean?), and that all variables are accounted for, but that studies actually published in credible journals are not studies but "studies."

Btw, several of the studies I posted do go over the diet for the vegan households. But you have to read past the abstract for that.

I also have a deep distrust of health studies done by healthnuts from whom also/coincidentally/by the way you have to buy a health or diet book to read the results. There's a ridiculously amount of junk "science" out there so you have to be very discriminating in where you get your info. So when a guy says I have the truth but you have to buy my book! I go ehh..... This guy's name also just doesn't appear in searches of top journals. Is this an appropriate time to say put up or hush up? If you can't find any other studies besides Dr. Attwood's (which is apparently unavailable in online form?!--another indicator to me that something isn't right) supporting your view... then maybe that's because there aren't any.

jcaliff · Post by **jcaliff** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:00 pm

Fish are only vegetables if you're keeping kosher.

(Fish are considered "pareve" which is the catagory that contains no meat or dairy).
Eating fish != vegetarian.

Both of my sisters have been vegetarian on and off over the years. One for health and animal treatment reasons, the other for animal treatment reasons (who has since reverted to eating meat on occasion). I love meat and couldn't ever give it up completely, but I find I eat a lot less of it nowadays. Mainly, I think, because good meat is expensive and it goes bad too quickly. I don't go shopping that often.

blueheaven · Post by **blueheaven** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:11 pm

Sylia wrote:The vegetarian debate clearly doesn't limit the clash of egos, that's for sure XD

And it doesn't limit the chides of smartasses.

Vegetarianism is not about the refusal to kill animals. It's about diet, not morals. Veganism is about morals. As a pescatarian, I consider myself a modified vegetarian. Deal with it. I do it for different reasons than you do. Vegetarians are inherent hypocrites anyway, because they still use animal products. At least vegans have the guts to go the whole nine yards.

I wasn't justifying my "lifestyle" (it's a fucking dietary choice, not a lifestyle). I simply think Killua was full of shit, and his choices of articles to prove his point ultimately did him in thanks to his not reading them first.

Killua · Post by **Killua** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:43 pm

I don't know why, but blueheaven's posts reminded me of this site:

http://www.vegetariansareevil.com/

Whenever I read it, I always crack up.

Sylia · Post by **Sylia** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:07 am

Edited for... not being worthwhile.

I posted something about the posts here and then I had a second thought and chose to remove it. I'm not going to fall into that thing of adding to the giant head-butting fest and making this thread more obnoxious than it already is.

I will gladly take that smartass title that you're so eager to give me though. Why not? The crown gleams nicely in this particular light..

Note: for those who want a calmer vegetarian themed thread to post something constructive in, I've just started one (geared towards the more fun side of things, like recipe and tip sharing ^^). This way I'm not hijacking Blueheaven's thread. Anyway, carry on. You two apparently like this sort of relationship/interaction.. I know Killua does, at least XD (congratulations Kil, you've found someone who enjoys your favourite kind of chat pastime).

Sylia · Post by **Sylia** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:50 am

sorry for double post x.x

Sylia · Post by **Sylia** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:07 pm

Eh... a triple post... but with good reason.

As I promised via PM, I feel I should publically apologise to Killua a little for the above comment.. you know why I hope ^^;. I am sorry Killua, it wasn't entirely fair and you are right that you are not in the particular zone that I just placed you in by saying that. I do think you are a bit better than how that could be interpreted, given what it sounded like I was saying you were like to you. I'm sorry

. (You still irritate me whenever that topic I mentioned comes up, but that's another matter and I had no business making it seem like you're obnoxious in the other ways you mentioned). So respectfully... yeah... Sorry

.

Blueheaven on the other hand hopefully knows why I'm not posting in his thread anymore. I don't need someone swearing at me and being abusive, either publically or in PMs, like I said... I have no interest in those sorts of extremes. So, if I decide not to respond here even though you want to try to goad me into it by calling me a coward or spineless or whatever like in the PM, I hope that everyone understands why I'm not interested in doing the same back. You don't need my ego in the room here too.

Sorry for the public posting about this, but I thought the explanation was warranted.

Startyde · Post by **Startyde** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:01 am

I summary, yes, Jennifer Connelly is f'n smokin.