Major problems coming for scanlation sites
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:17 pm
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Me either, I actually hate reading on the computer and would much perfer to buy copies (I do of anything available to buy.)Penguinton wrote: I don't like reading things on the computer screen so I always buy it from the stores anyway.
It's not a 'crapass' argument. It's reality.Drac of the Sharp Smiles wrote:And cutiebunny.... I love you, but...
"The majority of anime fans are still in school and do not have a job. Asking them to pay money to watch anime is not going to work. Asking them to wait a week to watch the anime on a legal site when, without much effort, anyone can access it off another site, with decent subs, in less than 72 hours after initial release is also not going to work."
THIS is the kind of crapass argument that is killing anime/manga. Note that you say "when they can get it from another site".... THIS is why they're trying to kill those "another sites". With the "another sites" gone, people HAVE TO wait and CAN'T just steal what they want, so chances go up that they will buy it legally.
But the point is, the end result is still the same. I can go online and read chapter one, I can go to a library and read chapter one or I can head to a bookstore like Borders and read chapter one. Unless I decided to buy it, I not only acquired the good(reading chapter one & the info contained within) but I also did not pay for the good.zerospace wrote:By law, you must have permission from the creator/owner of copyrighted material in order to distribute it. Libraries have such permission, where these manga sites do not. So, public libraries lending out manga is not a form of theft at all, but a manga site with no permission to distribute the materials is indeed helping people to steal.
http://www.librarycopyrightalliance.org/
Hell yes, tons of Tezuka Osamua stuff never been translated...Sky Rat wrote:The stuff I'm most inerested in reaing isn't getting translated enough.
The majority owns a mobile phone where invoices are paid each time, this is not a matter of money issue as there is money but of transfert.cutiebunny wrote:Because, even though 'legal' sites like Crunchyroll have been around for over a year, 'legal' anime clearly is not working. The majority of anime fans are still in school and do not have a job. Asking them to pay money to watch anime is not going to work. Asking them to wait a week to watch the anime on a legal site when, without much effort, anyone can access it off another site, with decent subs, in less than 72 hours after initial release is also not going to work.
Cost of a lawsuit is high, but an easy answer is DNS removal and domain closing through the "abusive" terms of use.cutiebunny wrote:The legal fees involved in pursuing scanlation/fansub sites is astronomically high. And, should a company actually succeed in shutting down one site, another site will reappear shortly. It's been happening for the past several years.
One word : counterfeit.Drac of the Sharp Smiles wrote:They are catering to people who want their downloaded anime and manga in a sharp, professional, polished form that they can keep BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTENTION AT ALL TO BUY A COPY.
Not really, for cultural purposes, licencing is way lower than for business purposal (even fees free in some cases).cutiebunny wrote:]By the way, if the manga companies succeed in getting all manga removed from the internet, then they need to also remove all manga from public libraries. Because, by people reading it and not paying for it, that's also a form of theft. It doesn't matter if someone initially bought that manga because someone initially bought the scanlation manga too. It's all theft, and if it's all going to be black/white, then, let's go the extreme and eliminate all of it.
Gotcha ! Throwing rice...Drac of the Sharp Smiles wrote:And cutiebunny.... I love you
So, you're saying the ends justify the means? I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with that. Stealing, no matter what the reason, is wrong, IMO.cutiebunny wrote:But the point is, the end result is still the same. I can go online and read chapter one, I can go to a library and read chapter one or I can head to a bookstore like Borders and read chapter one. Unless I decided to buy it, I not only acquired the good(reading chapter one & the info contained within) but I also did not pay for the good.zerospace wrote:By law, you must have permission from the creator/owner of copyrighted material in order to distribute it. Libraries have such permission, where these manga sites do not. So, public libraries lending out manga is not a form of theft at all, but a manga site with no permission to distribute the materials is indeed helping people to steal.
http://www.librarycopyrightalliance.org/
Economically speaking, the end result is that I got the good and that the US distributor did not receive any money from me in order to obtain the good. The US distributor is no better off by either possibility.