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I'm almost certain in my new Mezzo Forte cel the layer of just Mikura should be an A1 end cel as it's the only one in the sequence. I'm curious because the douga says A2' with an apostrophe and after it has this +A1+ in red pencil opposed to the black for the numbering. Do any of you have cels like this, is this a correction of the number? I'm very curious as to what it means.

Thank you

What you have is a composite douga. I'm not sure if that's the actual name or not, though.

Basically, they make a "base" douga, and then each subsequent douga is a partial and only shows changes to the base. It's just a way to save time in the animation process.

I don't have it scanned, but the douga for the old man in this cel is only of his head and upper shoulders. It has markings at the top, refering the animators to a douga earlier in the sequence. I probably have more examples in my gallery, but I can't remember at the moment.


Sorry, but if your douga/cel is labeled A2, it most definitely is not an A1End cel. A2 means that there are at least 2 A layers out there, probably more (since it's not A2End).

Cover layers are not annotated on douga. Cover/correction layers are neccesary because someone screwed up when painting the cel. Since the douga come before the cel, they wouldn't know that someone's going to screw up. Douga never need correction, because they are based off genga, and all the corrections for the genga have been completed long before they get to the douga artists/inbetweeners.

A cover/correction layer is always notated on the cel itself. Usually, they have the word "kabuse" in kana towards the middle, and may or may not be numbered in the corner. I believe that there's another way that correction layers are marked, but I can't remember at the moment. I think it might be an apostrophe on the cel itself (so, it'd be A2' in the corner), but not on the douga.

What you said sounds very possible only that I'm positive the layer is the only one, the scene in which it appears only the knuckles move and not the actual Mikura layer which makes me wonder why in the world there would be two. When I said is it a correction I did not mean the douga itself literally, I meant a correction of the numbers. If you were writing numbers on cels all day it could be very possible to screw up accidentally and then correct the cel number at top. I don't know for sure, I'm just very skeptical of there bein another one in the sequence as from what I can tell only the knuckles move which is what had me so perplexed.

I'll review the movie again to make sure, but until then this is one puzzling situation.

I believe that Sensei once found a sequence where there was no A1 cel. Somehow the animators decided that the A2 was a better sequence starter and dropped the A1 completely. But I have a feeling that it would then be re-marked. I definitely own cels that have the original number crossed out and a new one written in...

Actually, A2 probably would be correct. Even though it isn't much, Mikura's shoulders move a little when she cracks her knuckles. If you have a look at the gif below (I slowed it down so it's easier to spot) you'll see what I mean

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/ ... ikuraa.gif

And since I already had it, I also uploaded a screenshot, if you wanted it for your RS page.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/ ... Mikura.jpg

Hope that helps clear it up ^_^

I'm not sure exactly what yours means.

I have several cels with an apostrophe. Usually the cel comes with an A-1 and A-1' . The A-1' layer is usually a correction layer and contains only part of the image that the A-1 layer does.

Like Rei said, I also have cels where the label was changed. In one case it went from being an A to a B, but the number stayed the same. I even have a cel with A-0 marked on it.

I would say mistakes are very common. It would make sense that the cel was marked incorrectly and they tried to fix it by adding the ' symbol and the +A-1+

*edit* looks like the question is already answered by the time I typed this all out.

I've seen some cases where, when the A1 was not used that the sequence was not renumbered. I recall that another Sailormoon collector, Starfighter, had a cel of Princess Serenity that was the A1, but was not used in the final version. I don't think that the cel is currently up in his gallery right now, though.

I think I recall that a composite is generally a key cel. All of the sketches of composites that I own all are marked as 'key'.

Haven't been around much *le sigh*

Wanted to thank you Blaster for clearing that up for me, while I still don't see the point in the whole A1 marked on an A2 as well. Sometimes animators can be beyond me. Also many thanks for the screencap, seeing as the sketches were in sad shape (kept em, but scanning didn't work at all) I now have something to add in the empty space of the bottom right hand corner, lol.