90sKid wrote:If you guys look between the two cels, you'll notice that the one on ebay is slightly different in the fact that Kikyo's hair is moving by the wind. This is even more apparent in the actual scene from episode 1 (go to exactly 1 minute in to see the scene):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scq1tydQMjM
You can see after the original pan image that Kikyo's bow string and her hair are animated, and as we all know that requires different cels put in place of the original pan image. So even though that pan cel is marked A1E for whatever reason, it doesn't seem to be the only cel in that animation sequence since they animate Kikyo's bow, hair, and the leaves once they reach the top of the original pan cel. Maybe it was mismarked as an A1E? Or the animators decided to count that one pan shot as it's own "scene" before animating Kikyo? (Maybe the animation for the bow string was counted as it's own sequence?) I'm still learning about all of the technical parts of this stuff, so I don't really have an explanation lol, other than the fact that that Kikyo cel on ebay seems quite real since it does match the scene exactly.
Hi guys, random person walking by and I think I can answer your 'why for's!
The Kikyo pan is a held cel - there is no animation on her, only a camera move, so they've marked the cel separately to keep it distinct from the rest of the animation (her bow string would have had it's own animation). Once the pan stops and the character animation begins, there is no reason to continue using the pan sized cel since you're now only seeing the top half of the animation (plus the acetate was probably custom cut for the pan) and the animation cel size is reset to standard. It'd be uneconomical to animate on a full pan size if you're only seeing the top half of the sheet. I would guess that there's a regular A1 cel out there that's (close to if not) identical to the A1E, only cut off at standard size - or they went right to A2. You would however use the same BG for the entire scene, regardless of cel size (so one of those two kikyo cels has a laser copy BG - there's identical brush and sponge work on both that you can't make happen twice)
If the pan is going on and the image isn't held, then everything is animated on the pan size but reset to standard frame size when the camera move stops.
The pan shot wouldn't be counted as a scene on it's own :) you need to cut to a different shot entirely for a new scene to be marked.
sensei wrote:And background too? Wouldn't be unheard of. I have a big bg from A Tree of Palme that goes with a scene in which there's a rather corpulent character talking to one of the main figures. As his body takes up so much space, the background painter did not finish the scene on the part that he was standing in front of. But then a few seconds later, he turns and leaves, and in that cut the background is finished corner to corner. Finally I blew up a portion of the scenery from the two cuts and compared them: very similar but different in many, many fine details. So the studio had two canvas-sized backgrounds ordered for this scene. It would be interesting to compare the bg with the cel you owned with the one on eBay to see if the same thing is true.
In the scene you're talking about, between the point where your cel is and where the character walks off, is there another shot inbetween of something else? Or does it move continuously from your cel right into that character exiting? If it's continuous then LOL that's just weird... but if not, then that makes some sense, because it'd be two different scenes with two different layouts drawn. They could have saved some work/paint by just using the full BG for both... but obviously that didn't happen.
Hope that helps!
