Things you learn by screencapping your cels

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Things you learn by screencapping your cels

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As usual, I've wiled away my Lenten abstenence from auction and gallery offer browsing by doing deferred gallery maintenance: rebagging cels and sketches, removing tape, adding sheets of microchamber paper to sketch sets, etc. Among other things, I've been revisiting several of my galleries, looking for broken links and other problems. While doing this, I've been adding screen caps to sketches and cels that lacked them. In due time I came around to Magic Knight Rayearth and to this pretty but seriously line-faded cel of Princess Emeraude:

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One thing I'd always regretted was that someone, I'd assumed a prior owner, had tried to touch up the fading lines in the bottom left quadrant, directly under the Princess's eye.

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The touch was sloppy, the ink line too broad for the design, and the work made the whole part of the cel look sloppy. Also, the cel was dirty, and while I gave it a gentle wipe, a stubborn dot (glue? paint?) on the right hair strand (just opposite the smaller jewel on her forehead) would not budge.

My DVDs from MKR season 1 were legit ones, but old technology, hard to play, impossible to navigate easily. So while I knew where this cel appears, I'd never gotten around to doing the screencapping. Today I hunted down the scene, carefully worked up to this image, frame by paused frame, and ....

Surprise, surprise:

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The clumsy retouching had been done by the studio before the cel went under the camera, not after. And there's that stubborn spot, already there on the face of the cel, preserved for posterity on a thousand, thousand copies of this episode.

The cel is verifiably line-faded past what the screencap shows, but it looks to me as if the lines were already soft when the cels were delivered. It's normal for studios to outsource this painting job, often to operations in China, Korea, Singapore, etc. I wonder now if this batch didn't sit in a hot truck or ship container or cardboard box on a tarmac strip for a long time on a sunny day. In any case, this is not the only MKR cel I have that was touched up prior to its moment under the camera.

Just an interesting observation that I thought I'd share. One never knows the entire story of what the art we collect had to go through on its wayward path to our cel books.
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Oooh, this is a great topic!

I recently learned this when I finally went to watch Stars, and thus take my own screencap of this cel:

http://sui.rubberslug.com/gallery/inv_i ... mID=278443

I noticed that even going frame by frame, this cel seemed to simply have never made it into the show, probably to shave off some time. It's a shame, too, the other frames don't really have the same degree of shock, especially considering what exactly was about to happen to her.
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Sui Kune wrote:Oooh, this is a great topic!

I recently learned this when I finally went to watch Stars, and thus take my own screencap of this cel:

http://sui.rubberslug.com/gallery/inv_i ... mID=278443

I noticed that even going frame by frame, this cel seemed to simply have never made it into the show, probably to shave off some time. It's a shame, too, the other frames don't really have the same degree of shock, especially considering what exactly was about to happen to her.
Actually, you know what? With my Mimet cels, I found a lot of my so-called "missing frames" on youtube uploads of episodes. My DVD player on the computer just didn't have them, as I went frame by frame, but lo and behold when I rewatched the episodes on Youtube, I found them no problem.
I don't know if DVD is cut or if our software really doesn't go frame by frame like we thought.
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It's true that there are cels that end up "on the cutting room floor," mainly at the start or end of a sequence, or sometimes in the middle if it is interrupted by a brief cut to another character. I've got a number from Tenshi ni Narumon, such as this nice cel of Mikael:

http://sensei.rubberslug.com/gallery/in ... mID=153737

As the long "Sensei Check!" note explains, when I went to screencap this (two Lents ago!) I found that the sequence was interrupted in the middle, and my cel had to have been one that went after the last visible frame before the break and before the first visible one after the break.

It seems to have been a normal procedure to "animate long and cut short." It wasn't normal to put sloppily retouched and dirty cels under the camera. But the production of Magic Knight Rayearth really seems to have been very lax. There's a moment in one of the early episodes where you can watch a little piece of fluff that's gotten caught in between the cel layers dance around in the frame as the character speaks (i.e., as the cameramen change the mouth layer around).

I suspect that no one really expected anyone in their right minds to watch MKR and were astonished when it really did find an international clientele.
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Oooh, really? That's rather interesting, I did check Youtube first and didn't find the frame (the sequence seemed to start at B3 when my cel is B2). I'll try looking at some different videos from that episode and see what I find. :3
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Post by kira »

that it is a bitch trying to get the shot to stop at the right moment.

it has also made me appreciate the artwork more plus gives me a piece of mind knowing where the image comes from.
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Not really a big thing, but when I screencap my cels sometimes I notice which ones have missing layers. Like for one of my Krillin ones he's actually missing his arm layer (I thought his arm was just behind him), and for one of my SSJ Goku ones, there's supposed to be a bunch of floating rocks in front of him. Kind of interesting to see what you have/don't have from the shot.
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I've actually learned more making gifs for my cels rather than screenshots.

Since most people buy the nice shots from the sequence, when you make a screencap, that's what you'll see...a nice shot of that particular character or characters.

But when you make a gif and are able to make screenshots of every cel/sketch in that sequence, you get to see the less favorable shots..like, when characters have half open eyes. I find those scenes more interesting, especially when you have something that looks worse than what most 5 year olds can draw. You wonder how those passed inspection.

Sometimes there are also hidden messages put in...like, an artist with a sense of humor might change the text on a paper to read something else. Since it just appears for a frame, it's not really noticeable. But I assume that the artist had a good laugh over what made it to the final cut.
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