http://www.ebay.com/itm/310371436974?ss ... 1439.l2649
Seller said it came from mandrake but that there is no certificate
Thanks for the help
Is this cel real? And do all mandrake cels have certificates
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Re: Is this cel real? And do all mandrake cels have certific
Hello and welcome to Beta (and I think you also posted on RS, so welcome there too!)
The majority of artwork that Mandarake sells does not come with a certificate. Certificates sometimes come with Big Web Auction items, but the majority of Big Web Auction artwork does not come with a certificate either.
IMO, a certificate doesn't do much. Those that I have tell me that Mandarake guarantees its authenticity, and they list the price that the auction started on it, guaranteeing it is worth that much even though you likely spent much more on it. The majority of cels out there were used in the original production. Unless it's some spectacular scene from a popular anime, most people don't feel it's worth the time and effort to make a reproduction of that particular cel.
If your cel has registration holes, a sequence number, and a matching douga, I'd say you likely have the real thing.
The majority of artwork that Mandarake sells does not come with a certificate. Certificates sometimes come with Big Web Auction items, but the majority of Big Web Auction artwork does not come with a certificate either.
IMO, a certificate doesn't do much. Those that I have tell me that Mandarake guarantees its authenticity, and they list the price that the auction started on it, guaranteeing it is worth that much even though you likely spent much more on it. The majority of cels out there were used in the original production. Unless it's some spectacular scene from a popular anime, most people don't feel it's worth the time and effort to make a reproduction of that particular cel.
If your cel has registration holes, a sequence number, and a matching douga, I'd say you likely have the real thing.
Re: Is this cel real? And do all mandrake cels have certific
Thanks that's reassuring! Yeah posted on rs but for some reason haven't been able to actually read the forums there (even though I can post]
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A newbie! A newbie!
Welcome to Beta, Spidercan! Please stick around and ask lots of questions, as there is a lot of collector experience here. There'd be more on RS if the forum weren't all full of bugs. (Hint: if you put any punctuation in the subject field, the thread won't display correctly.)
It is true, as cutiebunny points out, that forgeries are uncommon for Japanese animation, and what you are more likely to find (here rather than on a Japanese auction) is a fancel being sold as if it were a production cel. Yes, registration holes, a sequence number in the top (or bottom) right corner, and a douga are all good signs. But for pricy series, such as Princess Mononoke, it does well to be cautious, as with primo Miyazaki material like this, the opportunity for forgery does increase. As you collect, you'll get a better sense of what an actual production cel looks, feels, and smells like, and so you'll be unlikely to be fooled. For now, it might be a good first step to browse online galleries of cels from the titles you want to collect. That will give you some visual tips for what to expect when you see a cel displayed for sale. And perhaps pick up some less pricy cels, just to give you some sensory experience.
Patience is a good virtue to cultivate. The market is tighter than it was in 2000-05, but there are still thousands of extant cels from the cel-based Miyazaki films. Watch what comes up, and get a sense of what collectors are willing to pay. And soon enough the item the celga no kami intend you to possess will appear.
Welcome to Beta, Spidercan! Please stick around and ask lots of questions, as there is a lot of collector experience here. There'd be more on RS if the forum weren't all full of bugs. (Hint: if you put any punctuation in the subject field, the thread won't display correctly.)
It is true, as cutiebunny points out, that forgeries are uncommon for Japanese animation, and what you are more likely to find (here rather than on a Japanese auction) is a fancel being sold as if it were a production cel. Yes, registration holes, a sequence number in the top (or bottom) right corner, and a douga are all good signs. But for pricy series, such as Princess Mononoke, it does well to be cautious, as with primo Miyazaki material like this, the opportunity for forgery does increase. As you collect, you'll get a better sense of what an actual production cel looks, feels, and smells like, and so you'll be unlikely to be fooled. For now, it might be a good first step to browse online galleries of cels from the titles you want to collect. That will give you some visual tips for what to expect when you see a cel displayed for sale. And perhaps pick up some less pricy cels, just to give you some sensory experience.
Patience is a good virtue to cultivate. The market is tighter than it was in 2000-05, but there are still thousands of extant cels from the cel-based Miyazaki films. Watch what comes up, and get a sense of what collectors are willing to pay. And soon enough the item the celga no kami intend you to possess will appear.
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Ahaha thank you. Glad to be here!sensei wrote:A newbie! A newbie!
Welcome to Beta, Spidercan! Please stick around and ask lots of questions, as there is a lot of collector experience here. There'd be more on RS if the forum weren't all full of bugs. (Hint: if you put any punctuation in the subject field, the thread won't display correctly.)
It is true, as cutiebunny points out, that forgeries are uncommon for Japanese animation, and what you are more likely to find (here rather than on a Japanese auction) is a fancel being sold as if it were a production cel. Yes, registration holes, a sequence number in the top (or bottom) right corner, and a douga are all good signs. But for pricy series, such as Princess Mononoke, it does well to be cautious, as with primo Miyazaki material like this, the opportunity for forgery does increase. As you collect, you'll get a better sense of what an actual production cel looks, feels, and smells like, and so you'll be unlikely to be fooled. For now, it might be a good first step to browse online galleries of cels from the titles you want to collect. That will give you some visual tips for what to expect when you see a cel displayed for sale. And perhaps pick up some less pricy cels, just to give you some sensory experience.
Patience is a good virtue to cultivate. The market is tighter than it was in 2000-05, but there are still thousands of extant cels from the cel-based Miyazaki films. Watch what comes up, and get a sense of what collectors are willing to pay. And soon enough the item the celga no kami intend you to possess will appear.