Is this a real DBZ cel?

minigt · Post by **minigt** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:54 pm

Somethings not quite right about these cels and I would appreciate anyones opinion. I would be pleased to be proven wrong.

My reasons:

The sketches are not numbered and have some areas that are blurred or rubbed out.

The sketches have been redone for the same sequence. I was under the impression that for a sequence like this, a full sketch would not be needed to be completed again, only a partial sketch?

Any thoughts, comments would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.rinkya.com/twview.pl?URL=htt ... /d66742861

http://www.rinkya.com/twview.pl?URL=htt ... /d66742861

Thanks!!

minigt · Post by **minigt** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:56 pm

Sorry, heres the second link

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http://www.rinkya.com/twview.pl?URL=htt ... /m36362929

DragonballZSubzero · Post by **DragonballZSubzero** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:41 pm

I can almost assure you those cels and sketches are real.

- For the first reason, about the numbering. You can not even see the punched holes at the top of the sketches, because the cel overhangs just enough to conceal those two elements of the piece.

- The second, the blurred or rubbed out spots may be caused by seperating the cel from the sketch when they were once slightly attached. Some of my sketches have a slight "tear" to them. It has taken off some of the paper but did not make a complete hole, causing it to be somewhat translucent in that area.

- The third reason, the sketch being drawn over again happens several times for action shots. The difference is so slight for each frame, but both characters have changed their poses and thus, requires another cel and sketch to show that movement.

- The last reason, my own personal opinion as far as the seller goes, I purchased one of his cels a few weeks back and it is very authentic. So as long as tries to sell all of his as such, I am sure those are as well.

Well these are just my opinions on the matter and I am sure others will have theirs too. I hope this helps and Happy New Year!

dave1999artwork · Post by **dave1999artwork** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:43 pm

It's not uncommon to find cles or sketches without numbers. Two of my Z cels have no numbers. I just assumed that the animators forgot about it.

A fancel or a fake is easy to distinguish since they look totally amatuerish, and the colors are always off. You can get close to the colors the studio used, but never exact.

Moop · Post by **Moop** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:00 pm

The only thing I see that strikes me as odd is that the paint appears to go clear to the edges of the cels, as does the pencil to the edges of the sketches. While this does show up relatively often on amateur work, it also happens when production art has been trimmed. If that's the case, well, I would have to be completely in love with the art to buy a trimmed cel... but good luck if you decide to go for them!

dave1999artwork · Post by **dave1999artwork** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:11 pm

I didn't have a problem buying trimmed cels when I was collecting if it were spectacular, big looking. If you frame any spectacular cel (whcih I recomend you should if you have one, and you don;t need that many of them, really) the trimmed areas don't become an issue, because it's displayed in the same proportions in a frame as it would be where it was photographed for television/video.

minigt · Post by **minigt** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:10 am

Thanks to all who replied!

I have learnt something