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August Beta Banner - Elfen Lied and Klimt

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:crackup

I remember the first time I saw this image!

I'm a fan, and I know that a lot of art critics consider Klimt to be overly sentimental, but homage or no, I think anime suffers :? in comparison to the original image:
http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?ke ... m_index=11

I remember the OP even used the vines that drape from her calf in its animation....

and the girl has Cat Ears!!!!! X|
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irmgaard wrote:
and the girl has Cat Ears!!!!! X|

Actually those are horns :dgrin
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JWR wrote:
irmgaard wrote:
and the girl has Cat Ears!!!!! X|

Actually those are horns :dgrin
I was only referring to their appearance...
If I may quote from Theron Martin's review on Anime News Network:
"The one disagreeable touch is the way the horns that sprout from the heads of Lucy/Nyu and NANA, which mark each one as a Diclonius, look suspiciously like cat ears. (An homage to cat girls, or an attempt at cuteness? Either way, they are out of place.)"
I think your avatar's are much cuter :) and stylistically appropriate, JWR!


I 've often wondered what Maria Altmann ( the 90 year old niece of Adele Bloch-Bauer) would make of Elfen Lied's usage.... /hmm
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After watching the opening, I thought Elfen Lied was a comedy.
Lupin got to run through Salvador Dali's The Persistence of Memory. Why shouldn't default anime girl inhabit Klimt's Erfullung, Der Kuß, Judith I and II, etc.?

I'd have felt sad for Klimt, especially since no one seemed to notice, except I don't like his work. :evil2

I'm waiting for that stock character design to be thrown into the works of Francis Bacon.
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:rollin

You're right!

One online rewiew poster said the intro reminded him of Gankutsuou! :wow:
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If they ever make any sequels or prequels, they could enhance their simplified character design with the work of Rococo artist Jean-Honoré Fragonard. (Who’ll remember him- he’s even older! :wink: )

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I’d say the frilly, carefree feeling of Rococo art matches better with Elfen Lied: in The Souvenir, we have Lucy carving initials into a tree trunk (and look she’s got a dog!); in The Swing, we have someone trying to look up Nyu’s dress; and in The Reader, we have Yuka probably thinking about mush. :crackup

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I like Klimt... :?
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dude_moose wrote:I like Klimt... :?
Me too.
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I think Klimt’s patterns are pretty, but I don’t like his symbolism.
His idea was to intellectualize and romanticize the relationship between Man and Woman (Woman in his case is usually a femme-fatal). But his patterns (squares, circles, vines, and the “Tree of Life”) are too silly for me.

However if you’re expecting ice witch and you get default cat girl, you’re thrown into uncontrollable fits of laughter. :rollin

I can say more about Elfen-Klimt. :redhot

Even if at times this Anime mimics many moments from that 1980s Sci-Fi classic “Lifeforce”, it’s an insult to directly take Klimt’s images and swap in that wide-eyed character design. Klimt spent years making those paintings. I’m making a joke of it, but it is not so much “in the style of” or “inspired by”, as “stolen from”. Maybe they were going for satire, I don’t know.

The Opening of Elfen Lied is a low point in current Anime.
If you can’t create something interesting to look at just play Cuisanart with well know art (one of the most expensive paintings ever sold is a Klimt) and paste in your characters. That isn’t an image from an Opening. It’s a sad joke. To be clear, anyone who wants to make fun of the look of Anime can just point at that, and I’ll have to look at that Frankenstein experiment for a month. Gone are the days of fun pseudo-comic-art. Hello, directly copied, pretentious, self-important, garbage done at the expensive of all those who watch it. A combination of Klimt and that character design, and almost no one even has anything much to say about it other than it looks pretty. :puzzled

The creators of the Elfen Lied Anime have no shame.
Now sitting on the top of this forum is proof of their lack of imagination. A lack of imagination in a genre I enjoy. September can’t come soon enough.
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I’m not insulting mb the banner is a fine rendition of Elfen Lied. Good Work!

I’m insulting Elfen Lied because it’s an Anime and it’s the banner. I didn’t say change it. I stated I’d have to look at it for a month. I’m not talking about pornography and I’m not picking a fight with a member. I couldn’t bring up other works of Klimt or the rest of Elfen Lied’s Opening if I were speaking of the banner.

I’m using the banner and previous comments to discuss what that image is and I’m providing links to back up my comments. That image is Klimt and it reflects on every member of Beta. Why can’t I discuss what it is where every member can see?

And I don’t even belong to the Speakeasy.
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Deadly Whispers wrote:Because I'm a toad and killed discussion . . . Here you go! :D

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Well…it was a little hard to follow with the posts and responses spread across two threads :nuts , but I think I’m up to speed now.

This has taken on a lot darker tone than originally envisioned 8O , but, of course, Guyvar III you are correct that it points to an underlying serious issue. Involving not just timeless moral imperatives against theft or intellectual dishonesty; but also, for contemporary artists, real “bread and butter” issues.

Though I don’t think I could quite work up to that level of outraged sensibilities :sweatdrop .

People don’t think of the creative mind behind the origin of a work as belonging to a person. I remember feeling irked by a foundation that griped about paying $450US for the use of an artist’s image on a fund raising brochure that was going to be distributed to multi-millionaires, when I knew for a fact that the artist was having trouble paying that month’s rent! :? And I’ve heard countless complaints from graphic designers about not being able to superimpose something on top of a work as an “unreasonable” artist’s condition! If they don’t like the work…why do they want to use it for their cover, illustration, Ad, etc.? :shrug

I guess it comes down to: who has the power…and, although some can achieve a comfortable living, the visual arts do not exactly provide a pathway to wealth and power!!! :crackup One could point to legal recourses, but you have to pay to play in that game. Not all can afford to protect their rights, even if they know they are being violated.

So I suppose I should feel chagrinned :emb for snickering at poor old Gustav’s plight, but it’s hard because:

A. He’s so ridiculously famous. :yay I doubt if his reputation could even be smudged by this. (The reputation of anime is, of course, a different matter, but most of the fine arts community already has problems with it…and any other popular representational art, for that matter :roll ) and
B. He’s…well….dead :dh . He can’t be frustrated, shocked, depressed, or otherwise hurt by this. Frankly, it would be different if I saw this done to an artist I knew. :box1:


And so I reserve the right to laugh at that faux-Fragonard! What a SCREAM!!!
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(Picture the reviews:

“Elfen Lied XX continues its tradition of artistic openings, with beautiful, detailed scenes reminiscent of Chevalier d’Eon……)
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uuuhhh....i dont know anything about the artist, or the actual paintings. I do know that the images in the opening were based off paintings.

But I(possibly the only one)liked the opening...I am a fan of Elfen Lied. Its got a deeper storyline then what it appears at.

But maybe you are reading the wrong message in the opening. Maybe instead of making fun of Klimt's painting they are showing how it combines with modern days. Specifically the anime itself. I think the actual song "lillium" also makes the opening and its images into a piece of art on its own.

I think it shows that the anime is artistical in a way, in some deeper meaning. Even thoug it almost seems that they copy and pasted their characters into the paintings. Maybe its more of a monument of Klimt's art as well as the new anime-style art, and how they can mix together.

In a closing point, i find the opening of Elfen Lied different and unique from any other anime. Unlike most animes that use fast music, and fast moving animation of characters flying everywhere. This opening starts with a slow song and shows characters embedded into a piece of art thats on the screen long enough for you to see it and the character portrayed in that piece. They do this with almost no movement at all. Nearly still pictures(minor movements).

And to be honest the characters(anime) almost look like they belong in those pictures. The colors seem to match pretty well. And i have only seen a few of the actual paintings. But maybe the creators of elfen lied were inspired by these paintings and the characters in them to create the anime characters.(note this is just my assumption)

Finally...I consider Elfen Lied's opening one of my favorites.
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