2009 Anime-Beta Awards - AWARDS UP!

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I know I am a little late in posting in this thread . . . I've had a bad toothache that has been bothering me the last few days. You know it sucks when you get a bad toothache out of the blue on the day your dentist decides to take off early for the holidays and now you have to wait 4 days until you can even make an appointment. I have the worst timing sometimes, lol. X| :hurt:

Anyway, I really wanted to thank everyone who worked on the awards this year. I know it can be a very hard job to get everything coordinated and try to please everyone as best you can all at the same time.

And a big thank you to everyone that took the time to vote on the awards. I was pleasantly surprised at the awards I received. I was especially pleased with the female award! Female is always a tough category with lots of entries and I never thought I would have a chance to win an award in it. I really appreciate it!

Thanks again!! :)
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My final intervention on this topic (I promise):

- I raised some concern not for myself but for the sake of future contests - to put it bluntly I DO NOT CARE I DID NOT WIN.
- I believe "Sensei" is right: the popularity plays a role here. I just checked carefully and it appears that the cels of some members are systematically overrated. I mean come on, look at the Accessory category: it is the same story, with the same winner! Is it a coincidence I don't know.
- Originally, the only purpose of my intervention was to say that the small image size can be problematic, since it doesn't always allow you to submit an image that does justice to your cel. Instead of discussing this issue in an appropriate manner, some members like yoshito are adding salt to the wound by writing some very provocative stuff like ""Soundwave superior, Olivier inferior". I am asking the moderators to take care of this because such insults are simply not acceptable on a forum.
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And you have now insulted the same person twice by insinuating that her winning entry in Accessory is also "inferior". I'm sorry, but I know bulleta and she has never been an active member in this community, let alone "popular". To continue to pick on her in this way is rotten, wrong, and cruel. She's done nothing to you, Olivier. Nothing.

Yoshito's post was entirely tongue-in-cheek. There isn't much difference between him making a crack based on an old Transformers quote and you calling your artwork "superior" to someone else's, anyways.

And now you call on the mods to stop everyone from jumping on you after you take one last shot at bulleta and get the "last word in"? How convenient. :x
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As an admin/mod I won't be closing this thread Olivier. You made your bed and now you have to sleep in it. You've said some pretty rotten things to other people so it's expected to get the backlash and quite honestly I think the members of this board have been handling it more than above board. If my artwork was the subject of your attacks as is Bulleta's I don't think I'd be so calm. Beta awards have never been a popularity contest. I have never seen that. People vote based not necessarily on the artwork, but instead if the scene fits the category which it was entered. Just because someone paid $2K for a cel and didn't place while another person paid much less and placed has nothing to do with it. The cost doesn't necessarily mean it will place. I'm very proud of the voters this year in adhering to that logic. They obviously voted very fairly and on the standards these awards were created from. To tell the truth I didn't know who owned ANY of the other entries. I can't remember what piece lives in what gallery. I doubt many other members do either. I don't vote based on who owns the piece, how much they paid, or how much more detailed it is compared to another. I vote based on the category and if the piece best represents it. I have also never participated in a beta awards that has had someone so ungrateful and disrespectful of their peers. It's probably best I never organize an awards myself as I wouldn't have been so diplomatic with your tone. You'd have been out. That said I think it best that everyone drop the subject and move on. Let's just enjoy the winners and be thankful to the organizers who were nice enough to devote their time to this thankless job. Congratulations to all the winners and thank you to all the voters who participated.
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Very well said, Goldknight. /no1
We echo your sentiments and agree that the issue should be dropped... it is New Years after all. We all should be partying instead! :buds:
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As with most things in life , when you get a large group together you will get quite a lot of diverse opinions.

I would assume most have heard the phrase "Opinions are like A##holes , Everybody has one."

Thats one of the things that makes it so interesting to view everyone's collections. Each has certain opinions as to shows , artwork style , character design and story that they find great while others may hold an opinion entirely oposite. Everyone has their favorites and thats a good thing.

By being exposed to shows some collect I have discovered a lot of great shows I would never have given a passing look at if I followed a narrow focus. An example would be Sasami Magical Girls Club that we enjoyed but if it was not for Sensei posting artwork would have flown under my radar.

The Beta awards are a time for us members to get exposed to some great artwork. We then use our personal opinions to choose the winners. At times some are more influenced if the artwork is from a show they know and like. Others take a hard look at the catagory and attempt to judge by how best the cel fits the catagory's description. In truth a vote is each persons opinion which they have a right to have.


In my own experience I have seen artwork I voted for win but more times than not some I thought fit best did not even make a tie for 3rd. Such as life. I have had many Beta Awards in which none of the artwork I submitted won even a 3rd. Did I take it personally? No for just cause I did not win does not mean I would then question my own tastes. I mean I bought the cel cause I liked it and in most cases thats all that matters. Some see collecting as a contest , I don't.

What we all need to be is adult enough to take this contest for what it is. A fun event that gets a lot of the community involved. What does winning get you. A warm and fuzzy feeling that a majority of your fellow collectors liked the piece or pieces you submitted. I would not be surprised if the difference between 1st and 4th was as little as 4 votes. Since there is no trophy to put on your mantle or check to cash one should not get so worked up over the results. It's not life or death.
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JWR wrote:................. No for just cause I did not win does not mean I would then question my own tastes. I mean I bought the cel cause I liked it and in most cases thats all that matters. Some see collecting as a contest , I don't.
Very well said! ^_^ I agree totally!



Again, congratulations to all the winners in this 2009 Anime-Beta awards. ^_^

Thank you Angelic-Lair, DragonShiryu, Starfighter, Belldandy16, MidniteKitten and ReiTheJelly!
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Post by trinitycubed »

Thanks to everyone who set up the awards this year. It was my first time submitting and I had a great time voting and viewing everyone's art!

Can't wait for next year!
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JWR wrote: I would not be surprised if the difference between 1st and 4th was as little as 4 votes.
actually in many cases this year it was as little as ONE vote was the difference between first and second place, or second and third place, etc.
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There were still quite a few cels that I voted for that didn't necessarily place that I would love to find the gallery for. Sheesh...even I got annoyed with that run on sentence I just wrote. :P
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Goldknight wrote:There were still quite a few cels that I voted for that didn't necessarily place that I would love to find the gallery for. :P
Most of the ones I voted for did make it into the Gold, Silver or Bronze, but there are some that didn't make it and I would love to see the Galleries for those, too. ^_^

bulleta wrote: There are a ton of reasons why people vote the way they do, ......................................some wont vote for cels of people they don’t like, etc...
That's sad to read. Just because not liking a person somebody wont vote for a art piece? Why let something like that out on a beautiful piece of art?!? Collecting art and being art LOVER should never let somebody keep from voting for a piece of art that's beautiful. : ( Really sad! I'm glad I never would (nor did in past) do that and I wouldn't since a cel/sketch has nothing to do with the person, but it's a piece of art on it's own. ^_^ I always go by what fits in my opinion the best into a category!
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Post by ReiTheJelly »

Just curious, but which gallery does the Angel Links cel (Joy #1) belong to?

http://awards2009.angelic-lair.com/joy/joy01.htm
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Well said & handled Goldknight, JWR. I agree with both of your sentiments.

Hopefully diverting everyone's attention onto a new topic............and possibly creating more work for Angelic-Lair: - on the Beta-awards website, would it be actually possible to list a cel's corresponding home gallery?

Upon seeing the Gallery readily available, viewers may be enticed to visit a fellow collector's Gallery they may normally would not have seen nor visited. They may even discover a few anime series' they may never had known about or come away with a better appreciation and/or knowledge of one.

Like the recent posts, there are a few cels that I would love to visit their home Gallery.
This is very much a suggestion only, if it is too difficult a task, or there are privacy issues to contend with - then leave it for the next awards @ the end of year.
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Here is a review from 2009 awards. From all contests I arranged during years, this competition looked correct.
Amount of voters was large enough to avoid any claim in the voting and results.
sensei wrote:...fans voted for art that represented series that they personally loved, not for images that were good examples of animation art.
I remember have wrote a line about before the submission, an award ceremony is like a market study tainted with native english expectations and souvenirs.

What this situation simply shows is the fact that we are too young (hell I'm over 30) to be yet disconnected from affective. That's really interesting and educative.
I had this discussion with a Auction House animation department head, that confirmed that on long range people focus on aestethism because they simply don't have the reference to the art.

See as an example my Astro b&w pic, a kid (5-12 y.old) that saw the episode in 1966 must be at least 45 to 56 years old nowadays.
As average age on Anime Beta board is 20-30 year old, this art is disconnected from what I'll call "affective" youth choice compared to "esthetism".
Goldknight wrote:Just because someone paid $2K for a cel and didn't place while another person paid much less and placed has nothing to do with it.
Additionnaly to this note, what makes a price ? Is a price overquoted ?
Do people buy cels to gain a social position as they do with the latest smartphone, videogame entertainment system, jewels...
Demand drives price, collector countries too (latest Sothebys publication in fine arts : 1st US, 2nd UK, 3rd China, France that was during decades in 3rd position had beem propelled to 4th position).

Same applies to almost all collections hobby. So this price question (opened previously in another thread) is definitively a lure especially when addiction enters in the equation.

The main root cause is : why are people thinking that an art is 'better' than another.
All is a matter of criterias, that are totally mesmerised from a people to another.
JWR wrote:Each has certain opinions as to shows , artwork style , character design and story that they find great while others may hold an opinion entirely oposite.
Exact, that note allows me to continue the review of the 2009 awards. Each collector motivations are different, but such kind of events allows to identify tendances and mainstreams.
Claim about others collections are definitively steriles, there may be group of opinion, clans, or individuals.
JWR wrote:I would not be surprised if the difference between 1st and 4th was as little as 4 votes.
Here are the possible points that can be ameliorated :

One personnal opinion about the amount of Firsts, Seconds and Thirds in a category.
Well, this can be intereting that when you've ex-aequo or draw, this need to be less awards available.
See in one category, 2 "first" award, so the next need to be "Third" position like in any sport competition.

Additionnaly, what could be likable is the computer blocking vote to your own submissed arts.

A last point that I asked previously to AL by e-mail is the non participation of organisers, that gains in readability and avoid claims about.

Bottom line :
Nice competition, I'll be there next year with other hot items :D :D :D
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Quacker wrote:Hopefully diverting everyone's attention onto a new topic............and possibly creating more work for Angelic-Lair: - on the Beta-awards website, would it be actually possible to list a cel's corresponding home gallery?
It certainly would be interesting... but we currently don't have that information. Gallery URL's were not requested as a part of the submission.

At this point, we would need the participants to email us that information, consenting that we display that information online next to their entered pieces. Many would likely agree to this, but it is possible some would prefer not to have that information out.

Either way, it wouldn't be difficult to implement. If that is the consensus, we would be happy to make it happen. :)
iceman57 wrote:One personnal opinion about the amount of Firsts, Seconds and Thirds in a category.
Well, this can be intereting that when you've ex-aequo or draw, this need to be less awards available.
See in one category, 2 "first" award, so the next need to be "Third" position like in any sport competition.
We actually looked at this ourselves, given that there is a good amount of ties, especially in the last 2 competitions. A change might be interesting for future awards, especially with the growing number of categories and awards given each year. This year, we chose to keep the same rules as last year, mostly due to time constraints, as a change would have needed to be discussed by the community.
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