2009 Anime-Beta Awards - AWARDS UP!

[wELCOME cONSUMER]

I hope future BAs merge sketches and cels together once more. This year's event shows the major caveat of separating them was less entries and the elimination of categories as a result. I miss scrolling down pages with copious images. Of course, whatever happens happens.

[cutiebunny]

But if you look at it from the amount of total awards given this year, by separating media, more awards were given out this year. So, while two categories were eliminated(one in this contest and the other in the sketch awards), overall, when you consider that each contest had about 30 categories, it wasn't that bad.

Honestly, I like the separation idea because it gives every entrant more chances to win by being able to submit more artwork each year.

[iceman57]

Honestly, I like the separation idea because it gives every entrant more chances to win by being able to submit more artwork each year.

At my side, the hardest a competition is, the most pleasant is to get awards.

By multiplicating prizes isn't this devaluating the competition ?
Doing this, is like creating monthly awards, or sending a prize to every contester.

Mixing cels & sketches also offers to not face problems with categories to fill (let's say 10 items as a minimum to make a great competition with less draw). Also there are sketches that are sometimes more nice cels, and the opposite too... So I strongly think that an annual event is the best.

That can additionnaly offer to have less people missing this event as this happened with several people. A newsletter to the 900 users can be useful too.
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Bonus question : Hey were are the awards graphics ?

[wELCOME cONSUMER]

But if you look at it from the amount of total awards given this year, by separating media, more awards were given out this year. So, while two categories were eliminated(one in this contest and the other in the sketch awards), overall, when you consider that each contest had about 30 categories, it wasn't that bad.

Honestly, I like the separation idea because it gives every entrant more chances to win by being able to submit more artwork each year.

Two categories were eliminated in this event and Settei would have been the third if AL hadn't accepted a storyboard into that category. That many eliminations has never happened before.

There are other things that can be done to solve the problem, such as narrowing down categories so the entries are not spread as thin. Also upping the number of entries per person, but that does not breed as much diversity because, as iceman suggests, you're giving more opportunity to the same individuals who were going to enter anyway.

Animation is no longer made with cels, so you're going to continue to experience the problem that was brought up early on in this thread where we see the same cels over and over again, with different owners. I think someone mentioned the DBZ entry in the Romance category as such an example.

[zerospace]

But what is there to "devalue", iceman? These aren't awards in the sense of a fine art contest. It's more like a "people's choice" type thing, and it's meant to be fun, not necessarily serious. If you place a lot of value on these awards, there would likely be more and more people who become bitter about them as has already happened this year (and has happened in the past, as well).

Mixing cels and sketches has been the way of things every year up until this one. Let's not count out the fact that this year's cel awards were set up very close to the holidays, which has not been the case in previous years and could easily explain any lower participation. The sketch awards had great participation, too -- which indicates at least some interest in keeping them separate.

Just my two yen .

[iceman57]

Animation is no longer made with cels, so you're going to continue to experience the problem that was brought up early on in this thread where we see the same cels over and over again, with different owners.

Indeed, but 40 years of anime inventories are big enough
Regarding arts transmission, yeah that sounds to be more and more present on several items.

These aren't awards in the sense of a fine art contest. It's more like a "people's choice" type thing, and it's meant to be fun, not necessarily serious.

For sure, but this is a true visible side of collection way of life, so take inspiration from major auction house is always interesting as main supply way from cel & sketch collectors follows the same scheme.

For fun, sure, this is the guideline; but what about egos.
This cross back with the JWR about motivations, some collect for recognition of others, some don't care. Some show all their stuff, some have a "private" gallery...

So about "fun" idea, well as wrote this is the guideline but when people fight with money on the same items, this is not really fun that drives the car... but addiction or will to reach a goal that fluctuates from a people to another

From what I readed in fine arts analysis (sorry to quote again, but cels are a niche, so only fine graphic arts can be useful to better see tendances), speculation is 9% of collectors, rest 91% are collecting for their own pleasure.

Next year I'll try to put a FOTNS nice one, hell there was NEVER this TV series on awards. This is not acceptable

[Yuri-chan]

Thank you to Angelic-Lair and all of our Awards Committee for organizing the Awards! Congratulations to all of our winners!

I am deeply honored to have won not just 1 Award, but 2 and a 1st Place moreso! I was very shocked & delighted to win Joy, especially since I didn't think I stood much of a chance in that category. The 3rd Place win in Sorrow was unexpected also. Thank you so much to all who voted for my cels!

I greatly look forward to MidniteKitten's Awards.

[samiamew]

Just wanted to add my Thanks! for all the Blood, Sweat, and Tears that the organizers gave to make this Beta Awards possible

And another Thank You! to those that voted for my bits-o-painted plastic

Arigatou

[ReiTheJelly]

After having participated in A-B awards since 2005, and watching the event since I started lurking in 2003, I would really like to have the opportunity to coordinate both the Anime-Beta Sketch and Cel Awards for 2010.

[cutiebunny]

After having participated in A-B awards since 2005, and watching the event since I started lurking in 2003, I would really like to have the opportunity to coordinate both the Anime-Beta Sketch and Cel Awards for 2010. If nobody has any concrete objections, I will post about this is a new thread in a few weeks.

Why are we addressing the 2010 awards now? Even if we split them again, that's still roughly 6 months between the sketch awards and now. That's plenty of time for events to pop up in each of our lives that might prevent us from organizing the affair.

I think that the community should address the 2010 awards as they approach. So, May would be an appropriate time to address involvement in the awards, not January.

Several members, including myself, have expressed interest either to me or to others that they would be interested in working on the project in 2010. Unless I'm busy in the throws of life, I would love to organize the event again.

[MidniteKitten]

Thanks everyone for being so patient with me! Awards are finished, labeled and ready to go! Just doing some last minute tweaking to make sure that they are completely compatible for everyone and still of the highest quality. I was having issues earlier with white stray bits still showing up when placed over a cel and that just will not do! Rest assured masses that it's going to have been well worth the wait I guarantee that by the 4th I wil have them zipped and ready for Angelic-Lair to issue out! Life got really hectic with the holidays but since then I've been sure to work double time! Thanks again everyone for participating. I absolutely loved the art and am anxious to be involved next year as well (though hopefully not as much >o< lol)

[Angelic-Lair]

Unless I'm busy in the throws of life, I would love to organize the event again.

Maybe there's a better time to discuss this, but...
Haven't you organized two events already? If you keep doing it, no one else will get that chance. We were happy to have a chance to organize the Beta Awards and we believe others should have that chance as well.
Just our two cents.

[ReiTheJelly]

May would be an appropriate time to address involvement in the awards, not January.

Many people complain that the awards are done hastily or at the last minute. After talking with several people involved in the past few contests, I felt that it might make things easier to arrange it a bit earlier than usual. Yes, I realize that I could get hit by a bus tomorrow and not be able to fulfill my obligation, but I tend to be a more optimistic thinker.


Other than my timing, do you have a legitimate complaint about why I should not organize the 2010 events?

[zerospace]

I see no reason why Rei isn't allowed to announce her intent to step up and run the next set of awards, honestly. If she feels that she can do the job, at least give her the chance. If something comes up in the meantime and she can't, then that's something that can be dealt with at that time.

[cutiebunny]

Haven't you organized two events already? If you keep doing it, no one else will get that chance. We were happy to have a chance to organize the Beta Awards and we believe others should have that chance as well.
Just our two cents.

I don't recall there ever being a limit as to how many times a member can be involved in the Beta Awards. If it's a project I enjoy doing, I'm able to do it and no one has any complaints as to why I shouldn't be involved, I don't see the problem. And assuming that we do split the awards again, that would mean that Rei would be involved with three awards...which seems to defeat the purpose of allowing others the chance to be involved, right?

What I did not appreciate, and this could be how I interpreted Rei's post, was that it was a declaration that was, for the most part, set in stone. Perhaps I'm reading into it, but it seems as though, through Rei's statement, that the position of organizer has been set. It seemed as if, since one member posted their desire to organize the event, that they should be given the position of head organizer over anyone else that wants to be involved.

What about the other members on this forum? Should they not be given the chance to voice their potential involvement as well? What if one of them wants to be the head organizer? Do we ignore them because someone posted six months to a year prior to the awards that they were going to do it?

By starting the next awards less than a week after the previous one has concluded, the 'fun' feels like it's being sucked out in favor of a more serious competition. And then you run the risk of having members who, for whatever reason, get caught up in their own life and can't be involved during the more critical parts of the competition. It's a lot easier to project your life when it's two-three months in the future, instead of six months to a year down the road.

So, no, I don't have a problem with Rei being involved with the 2010 projects. But, and assuming I am interpreting the post correctly, I think that other members should be given the chance to declare what involvement they'd like to have in future projects before roles are assigned.

This is still holiday time, and a lot of people may not be as active online as they normally are. Let's wait until everyone has returned from the holidays, paid off their CC bills and can constructively focus on the next award period.