Hi,
I found this Serial Experiments Lain cel on Yahoo Japan Auctions that come up last week.
But! i can not seem to find the screen match...for this cel ?! grrharr :/ BUT!!!
It goes Weirder!
There is a -Genga- i think i read in the YJ auction that another Seller has up that is the SAME AS THE CEL OMG!!!!! :/
-GENGA- weird -CEL- Happenings
I've seen that sequence around a bit and I'm pretty sure I used to own one from the same cut. It's been probably a decade since I've watch Lain but the scene does seem familiar. Guess you would classify the matching sketch sold with the cel as a "douga" and the hand drawn sketch the "genga". Genga is just a rough pre-production drawing and key sequence are common to have those. I keep getting the 2 mixed up even as long as I've been dealing in cels, so I got this page bookmarked. http://www.fukushuu.org/cels/faqsubsection.php?si=3
The price for the cel is probably spot on with value, maybe a bit high considering the popularity of the series has really died off over time. The price on the genga, IMO, is wayyyyy too high.
animechaos is right on the basic details. The cel comes with the douga (or animating sketch) as is normal. Dougas are done by junior animators in semi-sweatshop conditions. Some are clean-ups of the senior animator's key drawings (or gengas) and are so designated by having the circle of the sequence number in the upper right corner circled. In such cases, the douga and genga could be close to being identical, though there are ways in which you determine which is which. However, the one that comes with the Lain cel is an inbetweener, which means that it's one of several sketches created by the anonymous junior animator to provide continuity between one key image and the next.
Now the other auction is not for either a douga or a genga, but for what's called either a "rough" or a "layout correction." You can tell that because of the colored paper (used so the artist can see the earlier sketch underneath it) and because it does not have a layer number (A1, B2, etc.) but just the raw sequence number (1, 2, 3, 4) circled. These sketches are done as the first real step in creating the scene, using the layout (which is usually pretty basic and just shows where the characters will appear in the frame) as a guide.
They are normally executed by the animation director of that particular episode. If you can locate where the cel appears, you can then go to Anime News Network and identify who the artist is. If that person is a major figure in animation, then you have snagged a nicer prize than the cel which is, like the douga, done by an anonymous artist under pretty basic conditions. (Some were done by prison inmates in a work-hire arrangement similar to the way licence plates used to be made in the US.)
The seller indicates that the artist is Takahiro Kishida, who was the overall character designer for Serial Experiment Lain. He was animation director for episode 13 as well, but there were five other animators who shared responsibility for the other 12 episodes. If the scene from which this image appears is from Ep. 13, then Kishida is indeed likely to be the artist. As Kishida is currently gaining a lot of notoriety for his work on Puella Magi Madoka Magica, then the seller might well be able to get 40,000 JPY for an autograph sketch by this artist from his earlier (but still celebrated) series.
But I would be cautious, as it could well be from Eps. 1-12 and thus more likely to be the work of another artist, and in any case it doesn't make my collector's sense start tingling. If I'm going to spend that kind of cash, I want something genuinely eyeworthy, not just "something done by someone who's become famous."
For that reason, I'll go with Nick: overpriced and not my style. But I could understand why someone else might bid on it who really wants it.
Thank you for the excellent details replies
As i am a new fan I'm right in to every Layer and as i love the storylines themes
I am now taking great attention to the style of the Animation in each Layer and the thousands of saved screenshots and then have fun dreaming of the listings in my Wishlist and favorites.
But..... i think my original thought to this question probably is a typical one for a new fan looking , as I am studying the sequences and lovely inovative ideas.
I really hope someone tell me where this cel sequence in found in the series?
I know it's a selfindugded question I'd its just i would love to know....
"Corrections" typically consisted of color copies with artists notes or hand drawn edits on them. Fully hand-drawn sketches with no noticeable "corrections" made normally aren't considered such.....since there wasn't anything to "correct".
Animechaos wrote:"Corrections" typically consisted of color copies with artists notes or hand drawn edits on them. Fully hand-drawn sketches with no noticeable "corrections" made normally aren't considered such.....since there wasn't anything to "correct".
My command of Japanese is not great, but I do know that "shuusei" means "correction" or "revision." There are no corrections on the sheet, since the original drawing was on a separate sheet of paper that would have come with the complete set from the cut. Perhaps "clean-up drawing" would be a clearer term in US animation lingo, though in truth most roughs are not very clean as they are intended as guides to the key animator who will do the genga.
It is, as Keys correctly notes, most noticable in the colored-paper partials that come with sketch sets, in which the animation director makes the final little corrections in the genga prior to the images being made into douga. The practice varies from studio to studio and animator to animator (some artists just do clean-up work around the edges, and some like to do totally new drawings. But I have seen the kanji term on post-layout/pre-genga "roughs" like the one Lain linked to, as well as "shuusei no shuusei" when a senior animator rejected the rough and replaced it with a new drawing.
Hi
I am not sure if my thread as became a force of it's own.
But i just want to add that i have found the -Sequence cels- from the lain cel on YJ, ((ok)) it's from Layer 10 LOVE
The scene is shot in front of lains abandoned home and in the street Masami Eiri confronts lain and tries to get lain to love him but she does not buy it and tells him that hes a liar but he tries to do his best to win lain over as he knows lain is the powerful link of the wired
*Ok also i noticed in the Sequence (note the cel on YJ is cel A-29) and i countered 25 cel changes before it cut to Masami Eiri. So it could mean it was not used in the production? as i can not find the exact match for this cel
Please check it out on my Serial Experiment Lain photo stream on flickr i have added them today for you to view . http://www.flickr.com/photos/serial_experiments_lain/
Could this be a-
in my Wishlist and favorites.
