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Re: YJP Counterfeit Sellers

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Is this a big problem cel-wise? With those that counterfeit autographs, they usually switch accounts once they're caught. Rule of thumb is to just simply not buy artwork attributed to internationally famous artists like Eiichiro Oda and Hayao Miyazaki.
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It would be benificial except for the fact that I know of no one selling counterfeit or fake pieces. :shrug That could be because I don't collect from Evangelion or any of Mayazaki's works, but who knows. I think that like many things in the cel community, this is a small problem that has been blown WAY out of proportion.
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I think maybe more helpful would be a list of tips and tricks that all veteran collectors know, that we can make available to the Cel Community. I have had a few ideas kicking around my head for a while on how to do this, but I haven't had the time to dedicate to it, and as part of my panel when I was doing them, there was a quiz in which I had spot the fake cel vs. the real cel.

I would also say that as for original sketches I do know sort of what to look for, but as a general rule of thumb if I don't know I ask my Sketch Senpai... But not all of us know who to ask... Tis a conundrum.
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Sadly I won't work on community projects in my free time anymore, if peeps want to ask me specific questions I am pretty easy to get a hold of, but otherwise community projects tend to be more of a pain than a plus for me. I also can come off as bossy and then it causes peeps to hate me, and that is never my intention.

I will one day put together some of the ideas floating around in my head; but like I said I prefer to do it in my own time when I have the time. When I do get some things together I will post it here as a resource, but for now it will just have to float around in my head.

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LOL - they do aggravate me and many other collectors especially when we get into bidding wars with them. It's actually one of the reasons I am killing/selling off the DBZ section of my website that is one of the series that, that particular reseller has targeted and ain't nobody got time for that.

I could add that list but it just seems sort of petty... I can state these are resellers you will prolly run into and get into bidding wars with but whatevs.

The project kicking around my head is basically a how to on how to identify the different types of sketches depending on whether it is compy or cel based series, sort of a how to on how to catch a fake etc... I feel like this sort of information is more important in the long run. The problem is, is that I have yet to implement it... ^_^;;
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Time is always an issue, for sure. X|
Apologies if my tone in the previous post was grumpy. It probably wasn't very helpful, and this post is supposed to be about being helpful.
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In the interest of being helpful...

There have been a few items over the years that bought that were not EXACTLY as represented. I ran into one of these pieces this morning when preparing a site update. I had believed the piece in question to be used for one thing (the cover of a manga in this case) and found that the two images (the cel and the manga cover) didn't match. I was concerned that maybe I had stumbled upon a fake, but I always remind myself that I have yet to find a single fake item in my 15 years of collecting (plus, the stuff I collect isn't the kind of stuff that is typically faked).

As it turns out, this particular artist had re-created this image for an art book that he published at a later date. I can't say why he didn't just re-publish the original image, but artists and studios can do funny things some times. This was an example of a re-creation of a cel by the original artist. It was not the original manga cover as I had believed, but it was not fake.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that whenever I find something that doesn't quite fit, a little detective work often provides an answer that makes sense. I have not had to declare an item to be fake (yet) *knocks on wood* which is why I tend to think that it's far less common a thing than some would have us believe.
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I saw a post (I think here, but searches don't show up.) about someone being able to notice a Cardcaptor Sakura movie cel up for auction on Mandarake that looked to be from the exact same frame from a cel in their collection, and they were able figure out which one was the retake and which one was the original by setting up two gifs to flicker each cel back and forth between the frame in the movie. The original's highlights kept flickering, while the retake was identical to the film frame. While I can't say the difference between a rejected cel and a flat-out counterfeit, this technique would be really helpful in determining whether or not a cel is the one used in the final film, because it is impossible to make two cels so precisely alike that flickering them wouldn't draw up some minute differences.
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I'm pretty sure it was Sensei who did it and I thought it was a movie 1 cel of her in the green outfit... But I could not find the cel in his gallery... I feel like it came up when I updated when I bought one of Sakura in the green outfit a couple years ago... If it was a couple years (everything runs together at this point) ^_^;;

And the search here is sometimes kind of janky... When I even know the title of a post the search doesn't always kick it out.
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