How often do you wear cotton gloves?

[kittens]

So the body oils get into the very permeable and porous celluloid?

body oil is pretty yacky, gross, you did not know

[soda]

and apparently highly reactive......

[kittens]

and apparently highly reactive......

Yeah if you touch it it ganna explode!!!

[soda]

So that must be why aernath doesn't wear gloves. The effect is much more lasting and enjoyable for her.

I'm too busy gettin' jiggy wit' dem to use gloves! (brrrrr, so impersonal)

[monkeyboy]

No I don't use gloves just salad tongs!

[Baakay]

Hey, we didn't do the research on this, someone else did. Don't ask me for the details, because I don't know WHY it's problematic, I'm just passing along the wisdom.

And like I said, I don't wear da gloves. I take my chances.

On the other hand, ANY two substances can have a reaction. But I'm not a chemist. (or an alchemist, for that matter).

Needer needer needer.

[blueheaven]

lol! you guys are gonna crucify me but I never wear
gloves or even use a paper towel or tissue when handling cels

I just pull em out as is and put em in cel bags and am done w/ it

Same here. I guess, since I don't look at these as an investment of any sort, I am not all that paranoid. I'm not worried about keeping their resale value or anything like that. I only handle cels at the corners, and I usually have clean hands when doing so.

[klet]

Okay, this is coming from an AP chemistry class I took nearly three years ago in high school, so bare with me if it's got some mistakes.

Basically, the oil on your hands is made up of elements that are organically bonded, otherwise known as non-polar bonds, meaning that the tips of the molecule have no charge. Now, the number one rule when different molecule stick together to form one entity is that like attracts like. In other words, non-polar molecules will stick to non-polar molecules, and polar to polar. Which explains why water and oil don't mix, as water is a polar molecule.

Now, I'm not sure of the exact composition of acetate, but I would assume that it is mostly made up of non-polar molecules just like most normal plastics. So, the oil forms a strong bond with the surface of the acetate. Alcohol (all forms, beer included ) is made up of non-polar molecules, which explains why it is such a good tool to clean fingerprints off cels.

It probably leaves fingerprints because of the dirt mixed in with the oil on your hands. Dirt usually consists of polar molecules, but it can still form very weak bonds with non-polars. Rubbing alcohol is almost never 100% alcohol, so the water mixed in bonds with the dirt and takes it away with the oil. Alcohol breaks it's weaker bonds with water to make stronger bonds with the oil, and the dirt breaks away for the water. Stronger bonds=more stability, so this occurs quite naturally in nature. Soap works in much the same way when you wash your hands. It is mostly a non-polar molecule with a polar "tail" to attract both dirt and oil, which bond and then rinse away in water.

But, paint is also mostly non-polar molecules, so alcohol will dissolve it as well. If I made any mistakes here, feel free to correct. It's been a while, but these are some basic concepts in chemistry, so I think I got them all right.





But . . . even knowing all that, I don't wear gloves. I really should, and have been meaning to buy some. Honestly, I think some people would freak if they saw me handling my cels when I first get them. After a pass under the scanner and a quick cleaning, they're stored in bags and books, and I don't take them out again. Despite all of the warnings dished out, the only problems I've ever had was once with some airbrushing, but I learned my lesson there. Airbrushed cels are now treated like the original Mona Lisa in my hands.

[Ronin]

Wow, that was unbelievable detailed and informative!! It was like being back at college! Thanks for that Klet! *is impressed*

[In_Gabriel_We_Trust]

Or a Gill "CSI" Grissom monologue.

[awajikiwi]

Moop motivated this thread

How often you wear cotton gloves when you deal with cels?

I don't know of any dealers who wear cotton gloves in Japan. You should see the state of cels when the studio is finished with the cels, to them they are waste and treated like waste. Pan cels are rolled up and cels are just thrown into its cut bag and then thrown into a box.

[kittens]

Moop motivated this thread

How often you wear cotton gloves when you deal with cels?

I don't know of any dealers who wear cotton gloves in Japan. You should see the state of cels when the studio is finished with the cels, to them they are waste and treated like waste. Pan cels are rolled up and cels are just thrown into its cut bag and then thrown into a box.

I really thought all of them were wearing gloves ...............

This is what I have learned when I started collecting cels.......

[aernath]

and apparently highly reactive......

Yeah if you touch it it ganna explode!!!

Cels: the secret ingredient in plastic explosives!

"Did the earth move for you too?"

[kittens]

"Did the earth move for you too?"

Yeah, why not (also the earth is a huge flat plate.......

[lys]

I don't know of any dealers who wear cotton gloves in Japan. You should see the state of cels when the studio is finished with the cels, to them they are waste and treated like waste. Pan cels are rolled up and cels are just thrown into its cut bag and then thrown into a box.

I guess that is what happens when you paint almost the same thing 20 or so times for a scene (or less/more). Do you know of any animators that are cel collectors/admirers like us and actually appreciate they art they make?