"Book Cels".... >_>

iwakuralain16 · Post by **iwakuralain16** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:19 pm

I am not sure about everyone else, but I JUST found out what a "book cel" is.

Not only do i feel like a dumbass for not knowing, I now know why some of my cels say "BOOK" on them. I never really paid attention to it until today when I got a package in and one of the cels said "Book". I remember seeing in some galleries where people specify that the cel I was looking at is a "Book cel". So of course I googled it and found some old threads and websites that gave me an explination of this term. lol

Am I the only one finding this out just now? hahaha I only started collecting cels as a serious hobby this past year(before that the few I had just stayed in a cel book for a few years).

Just a mini rant tis all. I now know one more thing about this hobby that I didn't know before hand >_>

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:30 pm

Don't feel bad. I'm pretty slow about things myself. I don't collect sketches so I don't know much about them. I'm vaguely familiar with the basics, like what the differences are between dougas, gengas, settei, etc. But I don't feel very confident about my knowledge of sketches. Not that it matters to me personally, but I know how you feel about being out of the loop on some things.

iwakuralain16 · Post by **iwakuralain16** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:33 pm

I get confused between regular sketches, dougas and gengas all the time. I just call them all "sketches". >_> I thought Douga were on yellow paper? i have no clue. Ive got yellow paper with sketches on them on some of my cels though. lol.... hmm... another aspect of this hobby I am in the dark about. hahaha

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:42 pm

Hm, I think yellow sketches are corrections, right? Ack, I don't know much about all those either!

I know dougas are on regular white paper, which is why I thought roughs and corrections were done on yellow paper. I think I used to know more than I do now. Unused information evaporates from my brain...

vapalla · Post by **vapalla** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:56 pm

I know the functions of thedifferent types of drawings, but I never remember the japanese terms for them, I have probably asked Sensei several times to tell me what some term he used meant. I probably still won't remember.

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:58 pm

It's nice to know we're in good company!

I'm just glad cel collecting doesn't require some sort of qualification exam.

I'd never be able to answer all the questions correctly.

kittens · Post by **kittens** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:41 pm

I found out what book cels are really late as well

So don't feel bad

I still don''t know many things such as suddleness of douga and genga (I cannot tell the differences....

) so I am learning everyday

kira · Post by **kira** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:11 pm

dont worry. same with me. i know a book cel is important and i've seen the defintion of what it means. i dont remember the defintion though.

iwakuralain16 · Post by **iwakuralain16** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:20 pm

My best example(and easiest to tell) of a book cel is this one:
http://iwakuralain16.rubberslug.com/gal ... mID=168911

The background is the trees and sky(I had a hard time scanning this, sorry for the horrible scan haha). Then there is Tamahome and Nuriko. The forground is made of paper like hte background is made of, and stuck to the cel. Well, it is on its own layer. So it goes background, cel of nuriko, cel of tamahome, cel with paper painted like rocks.

Also if you click on the left sketch(it isnt a sketch, just a copy with coloring haha) on the bottom left hand side where the rock is, it says "BOOK".

So... Book cels = multiple background peices one on the bottom one on the top. that is what I got out of my research at least. lol

*edit* according to that sketch layout page I scanned in the characters wrong too. They need to be lower . oops. >_>

klet · Post by **klet** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:47 pm

Douga and genga are easy to tell apart . . . if you know what to look for. Douga is always on white paper, and the registration number is in the top right-hand corner (unless the registration holes are on the bottom for a special filming purpose; then it's in the bottom right-hand corner).

Original genga are in white, and tend to be on thinner paper. They are also labeled, but the labeling is drawn next to the character, never in the corner.

Correction genga (susshei? Sorry, I can't remember the Japanese), are done on pink, blue, yellow, or green paper. This paper is much thinner, because it is meant to be laid on top of the original genga. That way, you see through the correction genga to the original genga so it creates one picture for the key douga-maker to trace key douga from.

Layouts tend to have the background sketched on as well. They will also have the episode number (the number after the #) and cut number (the number proceeded by a C) but no registration markings.

Keep in mind that this only applies to Japanese animation. I know nothing about American.

I'm not positive, but I'd assume that any rough sketch you come across without any labeling is just a genga with no labeling.

Genga means something like "original picture," right?

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:12 pm

iwakuralain16 wrote:My best example(and easiest to tell) of a book cel is this one:
http://iwakuralain16.rubberslug.com/gal ... mID=168911

The background is the trees and sky(I had a hard time scanning this, sorry for the horrible scan haha). Then there is Tamahome and Nuriko. The forground is made of paper like hte background is made of, and stuck to the cel. Well, it is on its own layer. So it goes background, cel of nuriko, cel of tamahome, cel with paper painted like rocks.

Also if you click on the left sketch(it isnt a sketch, just a copy with coloring haha) on the bottom left hand side where the rock is, it says "BOOK".

So... Book cels = multiple background peices one on the bottom one on the top. that is what I got out of my research at least. lol

*edit* according to that sketch layout page I scanned in the characters wrong too. They need to be lower . oops. >_>

Books also tend to be complete set-ups. Basically, all of the elements necessary for a scene are present in a "book."

Key master set-ups are similar, with original matching backgrounds and key cels for the start of a sequence.

Klet, that's very interesting! I've only ever seen corrections on yellow paper, but I don't collect sketches so I don't have much experience with them. Very cool.

redwolf · Post by **redwolf** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:49 pm

Nice post, klet!

klet wrote:Original genga are in white

I would say the "final" genga are always on white paper...the further back you go, the more likely the roughs/rough genga are to be on whatever color paper the animator felt like (If anyone knows a method to the madness, teach me!).

When I say final genga, I mean the last genga before the douga are drawn...this is the genga that gets a correction sketch if it needs one.

Correction genga (susshei? Sorry, I can't remember the Japanese), are done on pink, blue, yellow, or green paper.

Shuusei. And to add to the confusion, roughs and layouts can be on any of these colored paper as well. I own rough layouts on both yellow and pink paper. It's not so bad really, because shuusei stand out from roughs. They are more honed (final stage of the genga process, what actually appears on the screen), and often less complete (the animator only draws what needs to be corrected).

I'm not positive, but I'd assume that any rough sketch you come across without any labeling is just a genga with no labeling. Genga means something like "original picture," right?

Yes. A lot of those early pictures are just referred to as roughs, but I think any sketch that is not a douga could be called genga... rough genga, layout genga, correction genga.

iwakuralain16 wrote:*edit* according to that sketch layout page I scanned in the characters wrong too. They need to be lower . oops. >_>

The problem with going by the layout is sometimes things can shift for the final scene. Probably the best source would be the the screencap from the show itself.

iwakuralain16 · Post by **iwakuralain16** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:00 am

AAAH SO MANY GENGAS!!!

Thanks for all of the information everyone! I will try to remember this all... hopefully. o_o lol

birdie · Post by **birdie** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:14 am

iwakuralain16 wrote: I will try to remember this all... hopefully. o_o lol

You don't have to remember everything, just bookmark Keys' Little Anime Cel FAQ, it's a great quick reference site: http://www.fukushuu.org/cels/celfaq.php?g=c