Do you post your full gallery online?

Shampoo · Post by **Shampoo** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:14 pm

For moi its a combination of laziness to sit down and slave away at the scanner and can't show certain sketches on account of a private agreement w/ the seller.

I do try to put up all my acetates thou..
but sketches its jut.. EEEP!

no way I'd have the patience to do them all lol

rallihir · Post by **rallihir** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:56 pm

I have a good percentage of my cels up on the RS site. It's the only way I really have to keep an index of their value and comments. I like many others also have oversize cels that just don't scan well, so they are not on the web, and of course, there are always a select few that are not shown because of prior request or proprietary nature.

I still believe that cels are made for viewing and I wish that more collectors, particularly the Japanese ones who have those spectacular collections would display them.

Casshern · Post by **Casshern** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:05 am

momo wrote:
wwwpurple-plumcom wrote:Ya,
but I noticed some people don't always post their whole gallery or parts of it is restricted and that way I can't see some of their beautiful cel. What's the point of paying a lot of money...if you're the only one who gets to see them?

~Katie
Isn't the whole point of buying cels for your OWN enjoyment? If someone selects not to share that is their choice, just like it's someone choice to show all of their cels. Most dealers don't post their private collectors for obvious reasons, the same reasons holds true for collectors. I for one only post some at a time and rotate them time permitting.

Momo, ummmm, I'm not really on here much but I've noticed that almost all of anime-beta has you on their ignore list. Why are you posting you friggin sushi! Go eat yakitori!

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/191/

Edit 7-10-05: WHOO-HOO! I made it to Otaku level! and now, here comes the ban from the moderator! I love you guys!

Krafty · Post by **Krafty** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:51 am

momo wrote: Isn't the whole point of buying cels for your OWN enjoyment?

Essentially that is true but many of us have big egos and want to share the triumphs of our acquisitions with other fans.
I like to see what everyone has anyway just to keep track of who owns what and if there's a chance I can obtain that ellusive wishlist item in the future

kymaera · Post by **kymaera** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:57 am

Due to the recent cel book theft, a thought popped into my mind: by selling
cels under a "do not post" agreement, it would make it easier to pass stolen
cels as the chances of them being discovered would be much less. This
makes me even less likely to buy a cel under those circumstances.

In_Gabriel_We_Trust · Post by **In_Gabriel_We_Trust** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:11 am

kymaera wrote:by selling
cels under a "do not post" agreement, it would make it easier to pass stolen
cels as the chances of them being discovered would be much less. This
makes me even less likely to buy a cel under those circumstances.

I have to fully agree on this one and I would have the same reaction.
I can't imagine any item that becomes your possession but comes with the restriction it can't see the daylight. ....

Okay.. yes... A Mogwai is an exception... but that's about it.

zerospace · Post by **zerospace** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:19 am

In_Gabriel_We_Trust wrote:
kymaera wrote:by selling
cels under a "do not post" agreement, it would make it easier to pass stolen
cels as the chances of them being discovered would be much less. This
makes me even less likely to buy a cel under those circumstances.
I have to fully agree on this one and I would have the same reaction.
I can't imagine any item that becomes your possession but comes with the restriction it can't see the daylight. ....

I'm in total agreement here -- but, what I can't quite understand is how the person selling you the item can possibly enforce such terms as being unable to post an image online. I don't know... I guess the concept of a "do not post" agreement just baffles me

In_Gabriel_We_Trust · Post by **In_Gabriel_We_Trust** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:32 am

In_Gabriel_We_Trust wrote:I can't imagine any item [edit] or reason...

... but I can't wait for someone to come up with an hypothetical situation.

Krafty · Post by **Krafty** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:20 am

zerospace wrote:What I can't quite understand is how the person selling you the item can possibly enforce such terms as being unable to post an image online

They can't physically enforce this (unless they live close by and threaten to punch you on the nose, heh) but most of us buyers are too trustworthy and willing to accept the sellers terms if it's something we really want.
We may also just agree to such terms out of respect for the seller.
Like Remi said before, you may agree not to post an image so that seller would trust you in the future when they have more goodies for sale.

zerospace · Post by **zerospace** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:21 am

Krafty wrote:Like Remi said before, you may agree not to post an image so that seller would trust you in the future when they have more goodies for sale.

Yes - now that's a good point. I hadn't even thought of it that way. Personally, I'd probably try to stay away from such deals, but if it was something I really really wanted, I'd likely grin and bear it.

Lizzard · Post by **Lizzard** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:39 am

All my Esca cels are posted. Most of my Esca sketches are posted (I refuse to sit here and scan every single sheet, but representatives from every set are up, at least). Most of my Saiyuki sketches are also posted (repeat what I said about Esca sketches).

I have items from two other series, though, that aren't posted anywhere, and I don't plan to post them. For FMP, they are rilezu, and though the sketches that came with them are production, I don't want there to be any confusion about the rilezu being "real" cels. So they are in my books -- pretty, pretty Kurz -- and there they stay. I have also mentioned before that I have some FB sketches -- I don't post those for a number of reasons, such as not wanting to be hassled about them, and not wanting to take the time to build a whole new site.

I know an older collector (no longer active in the cel community) who took down her entire gallery, went MIA for a few years, and then came back under a new ID because she got so tired of constant harrassment from people who wanted her to sell her cels or just wanted to cause a stink by calling her a hoarder.

It has not gotten even CLOSE to that point with me, but if it ever does, forget it. I put those galleries up for MY pleasure and enjoyment. The day they become more trouble than they're worth, they go down.

hobbywhelmed · Post by **hobbywhelmed** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:38 pm

FB sketches - I just salivated on my keyboard. I just discovered the manga and anime! (Actually thought it was a silly premise and refused to check it out, until there was this half-off box-w/manga#6 and an intro dvd at Waldners, and no other new manga was out that week... Boy, did I get hooked fast! Got outbid on some sketches that came up on ebay - they ended while I was at work - Too bad there's no such thing as production art from the manga! Or, given my wallet's cries, perhaps that's a good thing...)

I saw the notice about the theft of cel books at a convention from a dealer. Well, if the request of "buy but don't post" comes from someone you've never heard of online before, and who doesn't have a gallery, it might be a flag.

About harassing a gallery owner to cel sells - uh, sell cels - I've made a couple of "if you ever consider....keep me in mind" emails (but if the rest of the world files like I do, I don't really expect that to happen!), but harassing someone? Geez. There is a Gundam Wing collection I know of that has cels of Heero that send me into deep quasi-legal lustland (not to mention two galleries that have fabulous cels from my two main collection series), but while I might get droolmarks on their HTML (yeah, I'm even in envy over some website designs, my own skills being so crappy!), and would hope to be in the forefront of the line, should they decide to sell something, how can you harass people who at least give you a pretty place to see things that would have otherwise been lost in the e-ether?

zerospace · Post by **zerospace** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:54 pm

hobbywhelmed wrote:About harassing a gallery owner to cel sells - uh, sell cels - I've made a couple of "if you ever consider....keep me in mind" emails (but if the rest of the world files like I do, I don't really expect that to happen!), but harassing someone? Geez. There is a Gundam Wing collection I know of that has cels of Heero that send me into deep quasi-legal lustland (not to mention two galleries that have fabulous cels from my two main collection series), but while I might get droolmarks on their HTML (yeah, I'm even in envy over some website designs, my own skills being so crappy!), and would hope to be in the forefront of the line, should they decide to sell something, how can you harass people who at least give you a pretty place to see things that would have otherwise been lost in the e-ether?

I completely agree about harrassing someone to sell their cels... that's absolutely an awful thing to do to someone. There are galleries over which I drool and drool -- a couple of those folks know who they are, but I'd never go so far as to harass them about selling! I, too, have politely asked to be kept in mind if a certain cel would ever go up for sale--I see nothing terribly wrong with that. I keep e-mails from anyone who inquires about a cel politely, and I'd do my best to let them know if I ever decided to sell that cel.

Also -- hobbywhelmed, I believe I know which galleries of Gundam Wing cels you speak of since I often visit such galleries to drool over Heero as well

Though, I am quite proud of my little stash of Heero cels...

Shampoo · Post by **Shampoo** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:20 pm

Thou some may not like it, I think if someone chooses NOT to display a part of a collection ppl should respect that.

Like someone mentioned, sometimes certain dealers or vendors ask the buyer not to show the artwork becuz they dont want a bunch of "OOO sell me this! Gimme that" associated w/ knowing who supplied you w/ the sketches or cels. It also applies to the buyer who now owns the sketch.

There are a few pieces I still refuse to put up because of such agreements or frankly due to immature feedback forms that have led me to limit what I put up.

Theres a difference between a polite "Could you keep me in mind..." and a "Your such a hoarder! Cant you just spare one?"

For a while I had these 2 under wraps, one of them I am only putting up for this post. I only shared them w/ the very few ppl I could trust w/ the password until I felt it was o-kay enough to post.

http://shampoo.rubberslug.com/gallery/i ... mID=116174
http://shampoo.rubberslug.com/gallery/i ... mID=122552

purple-plum · Post by **purple-plum** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:34 pm

I think though that if you snatch up a real beauty, you should post them. Other people were probably trying to get them too and would at least like the opportunity to see it if you outbid them. I've never had any negative experiences with posting my full gallery. People pm me to borrow pictures and such to add to their wishlist or whatever.

I started this thread because I thought people should know that if you have a great cel thats hidden, I'd like to share your joy with you. That means, I want to compliment your taste, and drool at your gallery, and be jealous that you were lucky enough to get it. Because when I can drool in your gallery, people like jenn or anime jewell who post their gallery I'm envious but never mad that they own it. I'm thankful someone like them outbid me or won them because they give me the opportunity to see it still. And to people like that, I'm thankful because there's nothing in life that you should go through by yourself and everything is better, feels better when you share.

~Kt