current movies vs George R. R. Martin

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:46 pm

Checking. . . stand by.

irmgaard · Post by **irmgaard** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:15 pm

transmet wrote:
Chris obviously didn't get it.

Sounds like he "got" it to me, just looks like he didn't "buy" it.

transmet wrote:The torture that Evey endures is much more psychological than physical, and is used to nullify the brainwashing that she has been subjected to at the hands of an Orwellian government.

Let's see:

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it.", American Army Officer, Vietnam

You can justify anything, and psychological torture is certainly enjoying an unhealthy resurgence these days....
All the data I've seen points to that type of "treatment" exacerbating the problems of "brainwashing", replacing one set of shibboleths for another, not leading to free and open discourse of thought.

Does establish dominance though.

Blech!

GuyvarIII · Post by **GuyvarIII** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:07 pm

transmet wrote: Chris obviously didn't get it. The torture that Evey endures is much more psychological than physical, and is used to nullify the brainwashing that she has been subjected to at the hands of an Orwellian government. The methods used in this story are extreme. They need to be in order to face the hopeless rhetoric of a totalitarian state.

If you can't find that to be a justifiable means, then this movie is not for you - not to mention the graphic novel, which for everyone who does enjoy this movie should read! While I did enjoy the film, it isn't Alan Moore's story - a story written during the Reagan/Thatcher years which was, in essence, the beginning of this whole mess we're all facing today.

I don’t understand a lot of the responses I’m receiving. I don’t think sadism makes a bad movie. If I did, I wouldn’t think “The Night Porter” was a great film. I don’t like that this film is being presented as the next “Brazil” when I don’t even consider it to be the equal of “Demolition Man.” I can think of many similar movies done better than this, including “Rollerball”, “Brazil”, “RoboCop”, “Fahrenheit 451”, etc. Even though it was marketed as a kids movie, “Small Soldiers” was more intelligent.

This movie is not just morally sick; it’s juvenile and silly. “V” teaches Evey that you can reach a point where fear has no meaning and pain has no effect. This could be considered a pivotal moment, but it’s ruined because the movie doesn’t stay with “V”, the nut job sadist. Instead, we get to hear a bunch of garbage about how, even though the “system” in this instance has nothing to do with this hideousness, it’s all the “system’s” fault. “V’s” reasoning is: the “system” created him; so all his actions are excusable.

See my blog for my opinion on Über-Man V.

transmet · Post by **transmet** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:38 pm

Guess you guys outta steer clear of "Old Boy" then.

irmgaard · Post by **irmgaard** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:03 am

transmet wrote:Guess you guys outta steer clear of "Old Boy" then

I think the film you're referring to is actually called Oldboy.

Oh just read the lush Dumas Count of Monte Cristo, it doesn't have a good cinematographic interpretation yet. Though not for lack of trying!

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:04 am

Yeah that's right. Sorry I don't have access to that document.

irmgaard · Post by **irmgaard** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:25 am

I prefer the very dark ironic humor of Sympathy for Mr Vengeance anyway.

GuyvarIII · Post by **GuyvarIII** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:40 am

transmet wrote:Guess you guys outta steer clear of "Old Boy" then.

I think “OldBoy” is a better movie than “V.”
In OldBoy, the entire movie is different types of physical and mental torture in pursuit of vengeance, but all the scenes of torture are shown as vindictive and ultimately self-destructive. OldBoy’s torture isn’t a good, life-changing experience.

I also saw “Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance.”
I haven’t seen “Lady Vengeance” ... yet!

transmet · Post by **transmet** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:18 am

soda wrote:The movie industry was saved in the past few years with the LOTR, Star Wars and HP movies but now that the LOTR and SW films are done, it's looking bleak.

Well, although it looks you'll have to wait a couple of years, Lucas has now promised a Star Wars series that will run and run and run.... by 2008. "A whole bunch of new characters" and the series would be "much more dramatic and darker". (Looks like someone's been watching those Battlestar Galactica audience numbers

).

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:18 am

I see. And where are these new characters and the series would be much more dramatic and darker ?

blueheaven · Post by **blueheaven** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:39 am

I saw Firewall and really liked it. It's kind of a nice preview since Paul Bettany is going to play The Joker in the next Batman movie. He plays a very good villain here. Harrison Ford does a good job of acting his age in this one, and the final fight scene is really down and dirty.

klet · Post by **klet** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:24 pm

blueheaven wrote:I saw Firewall and really liked it.

Me too.

Though I will admit, when I decided to go to the movies with my sister and saw the list of movies, I was pretty dissapointed. But I can say that at least that one was pretty good. Not the best movie I've ever seen, but probably one of the best ones at the theatre right now.

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