Satisfying losses vs Frustrating wins

Post by **sensei** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:05 pm

Keropi wrote: Technically speaking, if someone is using the same deputy as you and outbids you, you can always use another real-time deputy to raise your max bid to what it really is.

I haven't done that yet though.

I once confused the hell out of two Japanese bidders by first bidding with one DS and then switching to another, so they thought that there were two American bidders starting to war. I wouldn't recommend that, as it's all to easy to start bidding against yourself in the melee. It's enough trouble getting the voices in my head to agree on anything as is. (Sataaaan! ... no, Nachoooooos! ... no, Sataaaan!)

Keropi · Post by **Keropi** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:38 pm

RoboFlonne wrote:That's not nice !

If people only bid what they are comfortable paying, then I don't think it's a big thing. I just don't like people winning for a lot less than I was willing to pay.

If the current bid was 7700 yen and I put in a max bid of 40000 yen. If the current bid moved up to 11200 yen when I did that and then another bidder using the same deputy bid 42000 yen just so that they could out bid me. I don't think it's unfair to stick in another 39500 yen bid with another deputy because I was willing to pay that much on my first bid to begin with.

sensei wrote: I once confused the hell out of two Japanese bidders by first bidding with one DS and then switching to another, so they thought that there were two American bidders starting to war. I wouldn't recommend that, as it's all to easy to start bidding against yourself in the melee. It's enough trouble getting the voices in my head to agree on anything as is. (Sataaaan! ... no, Nachoooooos! ... no, Sataaaan!)

Yeah I've done that a few times too. I also use it when YJ bidders bid up 500 yen every four minutes to extend the auction. I bid in larger increments so the auction ends sooner.

I wonder how long you could extend an auction if you only bid the minimum in 100yen/500yen/1000yen units all the way up into the tens of thousands of yen?

iwakuralain16 · Post by **iwakuralain16** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:02 pm

Keropi wrote: If the current bid was 7700 yen and I put in a max bid of 40000 yen. If the current bid moved up to 11200 yen when I did that and then another bidder using the same deputy bid 42000 yen just so that they could out bid me. I don't think it's unfair to stick in another 39500 yen bid with another deputy because I was willing to pay that much on my first bid to begin with.

HAHAHA YES!!!

I have never had a same DS bid war yet... >_>

I hate it when people bid on items and I know they are the type to not bid anymore than the minimum BUT since they made that ONE BID i have to pay more to by DS because it is 100 yen more(okay... you know, the cheap 1,000 yen auctions. hahaha it costs me more to buy at 1,100!! lol). this doesnt happen too often, but it has...

i ALSO hate it when people go out of their normal spending limits and bid more and i end up paying more for the cel because i was going to win it no matter what >_> I have learned there are some people that i don't try to outbid though... hahaha I think i have some fustrating wins... but only because i have to spend more. haha

RoboFlonne · Post by **RoboFlonne** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:11 pm

That's still not nice!

two wrongs do not make a good!!

sugarcels · Post by **sugarcels** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:27 pm

There are two kind of frustrating wins for me:

-I bid, then later think, "Hm, maybe I shouldn't have done that. I hope someone bids against me!" So of course, I win.
-I win, but at a higher price than I would've liked - i.e. very close to my max bid.

It's mostly frustrating wins, since what I collect most collectors aren't really into.

klet · Post by **klet** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:25 pm

I never have frustrating wins. I'm on a sort of cloud nine for days . . . then I realize that there's nothing in my bank account and I still need to eat.

I'm never happy when I lose, either. I bid on something because I want it. Rarely I'll bid on stuff that I'm not too interested in, but I usually don't win those, and I don't really care.

Keropi wrote:I just don't like people winning for a lot less than I was willing to pay.

Heh, heh . . . I've had that backfire a few times. I get into the heat of battle, end up losing, then the collector eventually sells the cel to me. In most cases, I could have gotten the cel for a lot cheaper if I hadn't bid so high to begin with.

I've gotten two or three Esca cels this way.

Keropi · Post by **Keropi** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:35 pm

iwakuralain16 wrote: i ALSO hate it when people go out of their normal spending limits and bid more and i end up paying more for the cel because i was going to win it no matter what >_>

That's true. Unfortunately the only people you might be able to stop from bidding would be the people that you know and make agreements with beforehand. And most collectors barely know anyone that's going to be bidding on the stuff they're after. It happens more often on popular shows and I don't currently collect many mainstream shows.

There was a time I had a few auctions already going with one deputy. So I decided to use another deputy to bid on some artwork in an auction that was about to end. I became the high bidder, but I realized too late that I could no longer figure out what the previous high bid was (certainly not within the five minutes left in the auction). The gap between my high bid and high bid showing was quite large. I decided to narrow the gap by using the first deputy to raise the current high bid by 12500 yen. Unfortunately I couldn't tell if I should raise it any more because I couldn't tell if I was only raising the bid against myself.

You see? I narrowed the "same deputy service bidding gap" on myself.

But same deputy service bidding rarely occurs to me. So it's a situation I'm rarely confronted with. I have my trigger finger on the mouse button, but I've never used it except on my own bid.

cutiebunny · Post by **cutiebunny** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:14 am

Since there always is a lot of competition over the cels that I collect, the result is generally up in the air until 1 minute before the end of the auction when the real deputy snipping occurs.

I tend to go for items that I really like, and when I do, I bid high. Very rarely will I lose an auction I really wanted, but when I do, the winning bidder generally gets stuck with an outrageously high deputy service charge for the inhouse bidwar. A cel that ends at 1K can easily go for 1.5K once these fees are added in. Whenever this occurs, I try to console myself with 'You now have that much more money to spend' or 'Hey, no instant ramen for you this month!' and that generally makes me feel much better.

I think that my most recent string of satisfying victories would be the recent Mandarake Zenbu, or the infamous 'predominantly' Sailormoon cel banquet. The one cel I wanted most really pushed my max bid, so, I felt quite fortunate when all other bidders seemed to give up on it. The price was more than I ever wanted to pay for a cel, but, since the likelihood of finding a cel from that sequence would be near to impossible, I have no regrets.

Caroline · Post by **Caroline** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:36 pm

this has definitely happened to me...

i thought the "frustrating wins" meant i was losing interest in this hobby... but i think it was more due to my overspending (which i am still paying for!) and sometimes, i bid on a cel that i felt so-so about winning, only to fall in love with it later.

as for "satisfying losses"... losing is never fun. but i don't pity those who have to spend the thousands of dollars i decided *not* to bid... lol!

Baakay · Post by **Baakay** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:15 am

Caroline wrote:this has definitely happened to me...

i thought the "frustrating wins" meant i was losing interest in this hobby... but i think it was more due to my overspending (which i am still paying for!)

Heh...heh...hehehehe.
Yep, not a whole lot in the way of losses or wins here for some weeks now, as I've been choking on the amount of money I spent on that other horrible addiction I developed lately.

Baaaad me.

I haven't had any "satisfying losses" but I sure have had fun sitting on the outskirts watching them

A few months back we had the "Saber Marionette J Wars" going on. I had YJ on one window, refreshing like crazy, and Kymaera in the chat window snarling and threatening and celebrating as he and one other guy duked it out over a whole raft of really nice cels.

That is what I call FUN. Watch the bloodshed, pass the popcorn!

klet · Post by **klet** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:00 pm

Baakay wrote:That is what I call FUN. Watch the bloodshed, pass the popcorn!

I suppose the fact that it was kymaera's blood shedding just added to the fun?

RoboFlonne · Post by **RoboFlonne** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:18 pm

Oh no! Kym-chan's bleeding!

blueheaven · Post by **blueheaven** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:28 pm

I'd have to say that I have had more satisfying losses, although I haven't lost too many auctions lately. The series I collect is limited to a small group of collectors, many of whom I really like as people. So if I don't win a sketch, I can at least be glad for the person who did.

Post by **sensei** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:22 am

Doggone it, this happened again!

I saw a cel that went with my CCS ep. 1 set of Sakura capturing The Fly on YJ, in a set with two other CCS ep. 1 cels that I didn't especially want, with opening bid set at 800 yen. OK, I thought, 2000 yen tops. That's still high, considering that Fly captures used to go for $5-$15 a couple years ago, and this was no brilliant example of the cut. But if it went to 2000 yen (guesstimate $40 with fees) maybe I can unload the other two on the RS Community Shop and subsidize the cost of the one I wanted.

A day went by, and I was outbid by a party that I recognized as a person who especially covets a cel I own and every so often emails me saying that he has a large number of Episode 1 cels that he'd like to trade me for it. I've told him that I like to trade like quality for like quality, not a bunch of low-end cels for one high-end item. But now this party (not a Betarian or RS curator: I'll call him Spoiler to give him a handle as I don't like to use real names on Beta) is putting blocking bids on YJ so that I can't get Ep. 1 cels except through him.

Another day went by, and the bid's up to 5000 yen, a huge overbid. I check, and a third bidder, a Japanese collector I believe, has put in 15 separate bids, inching the price up to exactly tie Spoiler's top bid ... then he stopped, though by bidding once more he could win the lot. And so there the auction ended: since Spoiler's bid came in first, he wins, but he has to pay his full reserve bid.

Now WTF is going on? The seller is extremely respectable and has never used shill bidding in my sight (others I'm not so sure about). And since I don't have a separate id on YJ, it's impossible to tell when I'm going for something and when it's one of the many other DS users, so it's not a friend doing me a favor.

Anyhow, I'm no buddies with the other bidder, whom I'll call Yen Boku, as he regularly scores nice CCS stuff on YJ for fairly stiff prices. He's more than once humiliated me by winning things I wanted at 10,000 yen more than where my limited budget made me stop). So while it's satisfying to watch this auction, I'm left scratching my head.

I'm only guessing that Spoiler has incurred the wrath of other CCS collectors besides me with his tactics, and that this is one way he's being chastized by better-heeled bidders like Yen Boku.

Anyone else see this happening? In this case it's satisfying, but it's also a little scary as next time it might be my nutty reserve bid that Yen Boku inches up to tie ...

Baakay · Post by **Baakay** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:49 am

klet wrote:
Baakay wrote:That is what I call FUN. Watch the bloodshed, pass the popcorn!
I suppose the fact that it was kymaera's blood shedding just added to the fun?

Oh absolutely! He's spent enough of MY money for me over the years, there was something so fun about chanting "go! go! go!"