Giving dibs to others?

Keropi · Post by **Keropi** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:45 am

How often do you give "dibs" to other cel/sketch collectors during auctions or website updates?

It's easy for me to give dibs if I recognize the bidders name, but if it's a generic deputy name then I can't tell who it is unless if they had directly contacted me earlier.

Of course it's often easier to give dibs to a friend if it's from an anime you already have something from while they have nothing. It's much harder to step away if it's something you want badly and you hardly know the other person (or maybe you only know them by their bidder name).

Sometimes I just sit back and watch when a YJ name I recognize is winning, I'm not so interested in the auction and I remember beating the bidder several times before or very recently. On the other hand if said bidder doesn't bid high enough to be winning and another person who I don't recognize becomes the high bidder, sometimes I get back in the bidding.

Sometimes if the high bid at the very end of the auction is so low that it stuns the senses, I might get back in the bidding too. I'm less likely to give dibs to bidders that have bid pretty high in the auctions I've been in.

I don't remember ever beating or losing an auction to a non-Japanese bidder who had their own YJ ID name. There (seemingly) aren't very many of those in the auctions I've bid on. If they've bid at all, the amounts have been rather low and they aren't leading at the end of the auction.

sailorsv13 · Post by **sailorsv13** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:58 am

Wrong Post Before ^.^ I think I misunderstood! Yikes! I actually do not normally place dibs on cels...although in all honesty it does bother me when people who know this is my dream cel (and my dream cels aren't exactly popular) and bid waaay too much to get the cel from me....or private sellers charge way to much because they know I want it badly! Pha!
~ Bri ~

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:36 am

I never give dibs, at least not purposely. If it's a cel I can't live without,
then I go for it. I also don't discuss my purchasing interests prior to an
auction's end. It's no one's business and I wouldn't expect others to tell me
what they're buying either. It's mutual respect and consideration. I bid whatever
I'm willing to pay and hope for the best. If I lose, then the other person
wanted it more than me. That's fair to everyone involved, including the seller.
The cel/art should go for exactly what we subjectively think it's worth.
Also, I try never to purchase anything I don't passionately want, so it
reduces the likelihood of me bidding haphazardly on something I don't truly want.

Like Bri, I also dislike seeing a cel I've lost to another collector being sold
for 3x - 5x what it ended for. I'm not sure what those collectors are thinking,
but if someone was willing to pay that ridiculous price, they would've bid
that amount when it was originally for sale.

That kind of behavior annoys
me the most because I feel the owner doesn't appreciate the cel as much
as they should.

metheus · Post by **metheus** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:11 am

Dibs, seems to work well for a lot of things. Couple exceptions for me.

1) People that cry dibs to often, I've seen this trend sometimes, but luckily haven't had to deal with it in my line of collection oddities.

2) Must have items. Unless I owe someone... hey it's a must have... so no deal.

But ya, I've probably only talked with 3 or 4 beta members about items in the past. Usually it's just usefull in avoiding needless bidding wars. If I know "x" is bidding on a specific auction, I can just move on to something else and save my self time and money. I also find it helps curb some impulse bids.

EternityOfPain · Post by **EternityOfPain** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:20 am

wELCOME cONSUMER wrote:I never give dibs, at least not purposely. If it's a cel I can't live without,
then I go for it. I also don't discuss my purchasing interests prior to an
auction's end. It's no one's business and I wouldn't expect others to tell me
what they're buying either. It's mutual respect and consideration. I bid whatever
I'm willing to pay and hope for the best. If I lose, then the other person
wanted it more than me. That's fair to everyone involved, including the seller.
The cel/art should go for exactly what we subjectively think it's worth.
Also, I try never to purchase anything I don't passionately want, so it
reduces the likelihood of me bidding haphazardly on something I don't truly want.

Like Bri, I also dislike seeing a cel I've lost to another collector being sold
for 3x - 5x what it ended for. I'm not sure what those collectors are thinking,
but if someone was willing to pay that ridiculous price, they would've bid
that amount when it was originally for sale. That kind of behavior annoys
me the most because I feel the owner doesn't appreciate the cel as much
as they should.

I completely agree. I believe that if everyone bids what they consider there "max" bid for a cel and they win then fantastic. But if someone out bids that person it simply means that another person desired the cel more. I believe giving "dibs" is useless because you wont be able to give it all the time and you sure as hell know if its something you really want you aren't going to give it up. The fact remains that this apporach is fair, if you want something and dont go after it because you recognize someone else bidding then thats your own prerogative however I will continue to bid my max on any item I hope to win

. Lets face it, each cel auction is a battlefield there are the winners and the losers. On a battlefield if you are to friendly you might get hurt in the end

Keropi · Post by **Keropi** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:30 am

Good points have been raised about talking about the stuff you can't easily back out of.

I think it might often be for the best not to say anything about those items because what if you want something a lot and you find out the other person wants it a lot too?

If I would have any regrets backing out on something if the other person wanted it, it's probably best if I didn't contact them about it. Then again if the price on the item could go very high you might end up regretting that you didn't.

sailorsv13 · Post by **sailorsv13** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:33 am

I agree with that. I also think though that gallery wishlists tend to become problematic for you when it comes to bidding. Other bidders will know which cels you will be going after...and the mean people who bid against you just because you want it know exactly the type of thing you will be going for...I took most of my wishlist down for that reason...but the same people can look at your gallery and guess what it is you are going to go for!

~ Bri ~

Keropi · Post by **Keropi** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:54 am

That could be a problem too, but fortunately the stuff I'm going after is usually not that popular except with Japanese collectors.

I cross paths with Metheus and that's about all. If I cross paths frequently with anyone else, they haven't been saying anything about it to me.

sailorsv13 · Post by **sailorsv13** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:09 pm

Lucky (as Napoleon would say ^.^)!

~ Bri ~

ReiTheJelly · Post by **ReiTheJelly** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:11 pm

Most of the people that I cross paths with (CCS and Miyuki-chan collectors) know me well enough to know what I'll be after. And I know most of their bidding IDs (or deputy service IDs), so I try to stay away from things that they are bidding on. If I really want an item, I'll e-mail them and we'll have a friendly chat about who is willing to pay the most for said item. So far, I think it has worked out really well.

darksuzaku · Post by **darksuzaku** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:29 pm

mmm, so many replies and here i can't figure out what a "dib" is

is it some kind of warning or similar?

Post by **JWR** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:45 pm

Dib's is normally when someone calls for first choice or right of refusial.

What this thread is talking about involves collectors that know each other that sometimes are willing to allow another to have a cel they might have been tempted to bid on.

In my case I do not set up agreements on items ahead of time , I do not know most of the bid Id's of people use and by using a deputy I don't know who I might be bidding against. There has though been rare occations when I reconize a bid Id on a cel I might have bid on and not bid for there was others that had more interest at the time.

sailorsv13 · Post by **sailorsv13** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:55 pm

I like ReiTheJelly's system ^.^ I only wish that the few collectors who do go after the same items as me would reply to my friendly emails! I guess I do not have a relationship with any of them...doesn't mean I haven't tried!

~ Bri ~

Keropi · Post by **Keropi** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:09 pm

ReiTheJelly wrote:Most of the people that I cross paths with (CCS and Miyuki-chan collectors) know me well enough to know what I'll be after. And I know most of their bidding IDs (or deputy service IDs), so I try to stay away from things that they are bidding on. If I really want an item, I'll e-mail them and we'll have a friendly chat about who is willing to pay the most for said item. So far, I think it has worked out really well.

I have a hard time discussing the stuff I'm "iffy" on. I'm not sure exactly how much I want those items until the very end. I change my mind somewhat frequently during the last couple of days of an auction. There have been a number of auctions I woke up early, looked at, decided it wasn't worth it (even going for the same high bid as the previous night) and went back to sleep.

Sketch sets are easier for me to limit myself. Once I get three or four, I feel much less like getting stuff from it

...unless the auction has a character from my favorites list.

crackpot27 · Post by **crackpot27** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:20 pm

I don't really give dibs to other bidders (with one exception), but I do reconsider bidding on items that collectors I know are bidding on. If it's something I think I can live without (or something I have quite a few of) I'll let it go. I've only ever stepped completely back on one auction and that was because I was asked by a friend (and at the time this item was reasonably easy to find). I don't claim dibs either, mostly because that seems a little unfair especially when I'm so flaky as to what I collect and which characters I want. So while I don't feel there's anything wrong with it, it's not something I do.