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I finished watching Strawberry Eggs yesterday. It was entertaining, kind of annoying because I didn't get the greatest sub in the world, but workable none the less.

Some good humerous moments I'll admit. But at the end of the series I realized how messed up this series really is. It paints pedophilia in a positive light.
That little girl and most of the boys are going to need a lot of counseling for the damage he caused. The little girl will be so confused and messed up after this there is no way she could be totally normal again. And that man is NOT fit to be a teacher, I don't care how *beautiful* the budding relationship was, it was totally innapropriate and totally wrong :(

I can understand having an attraction towards someone who is 14, but letting it go further and taking action on it! ESPECIALLY WHILE HE WAS IN GIRL MODE!!!! Reprehensible. Hey, I'll watch a hentai and be fine right afterwards, but this wasn't that kind of movie!
Garr, maybe I'm too sensitive...
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:wink: You're too sensitive. :wink:
I enjoyed it because hey, it's a movie.
But I can see how you could get upset/offended by it. It was more than I expected when I picked the show up a couple years ago, but I did enjoy it. I thought it was rather funny and sweet.


But then again, I'm warped. :P
And I remind myself it's not reeeeallll. :wink:

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Oh, and personally, I was disappointed that they didn't end up together. ...And that was about the time I wondered about myself. :P
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A lot of Japanese anime and manga condone pedophilia. Plenty of Clamp's works, for instance, feature relationships that are completely inappropriate. Suki is an obvious example, where a young girl falls in love with a 30 year old man. They don't have sex or anything in the comic, but their feelings are mutual. Card Captor Sakura is another example, one of Sakura's friends in class has a crush/secret relationship with their elementary school teacher. Onegai! Teacher is about a woman (alien, whatever) who is the teacher and lover of her student. The student is supposedly 18 but only "looks young" because of some medical condition (that only exists in the series, naturally). :roll:

There's copious examples that I could cite but won't bother. The yaoi genre in and of itself is comprised almost entirely of pederastic relationships. I've written research reports on this kind of thing and yeah, it's pretty disgusting. You can look at it as simply art and non-threatening but that is undermining the power of art in our society. What's worse, you have young people reading these comics and believing these types of relationships are "ok." It's definitely not ok for an adult to take advantage of a child, especially when the adult is a teacher and the child happens to be their student. Not only do these animes depict relationships between adults and children, the age differences tend to be skewed in the man's favor. You have 30 year old men lusting after 12 and 14 year old girls, a common keystone of a misogynistic society.

If you look at my avatar, you may think the story Lolita is the same. Not even close. I wrote my senior thesis on Nabokov's infamous work and the pop culture use of the name "Lolita" or "Lolicon" is completely misused. Most people don't know what the book, or even the movie, is about. The fact that it's referred to as a "Lolicon" or "Lolita complex" demonstrates how far off base they are about the story.
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Well, I went into this expecting an azumanga type anime, not for cute things that end up confusing and scarring kids for life.

It was definetly an eye opener.
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I suppose that I knew what I was getting into when I watched it.

However, even though I expected it, there is definitely something disturbing about ANY adult (male or female or confused) taking advantage or acting on feelings for a child.
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Yeah, I for one agree on the "that's a no-no" front.

Take Excel Saga - I knew it was a comedy, so I wasn't going to take it very seriously. There are some funny yuri jokes, and 'mature' situations that are there for comedic purposes only, but a little over halfway into the anime I got disappointed because one of the characters (a doctor) is shown watching a playground full of little girls (7-10 years old), and constantly making references to the little girl that follows him around.

I guess I have too much taste. I don't know. *shrug* I guess I'm too sensitive. But in retrospective, there's also anime that have incest (Angel Sanctuary, for example), and make me go "bawwwh" and cringe just thinking about it, but as far as plot, design, and intelligence go, Angel Sanctuary is one of my favorite anime - incest aside.

But like I said, I guess it all does on the intensity of the subject matter.
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Your signature reminded me of another example. In the OMG movie, Celestin was the trainer and mentor of Belldandy. But there are scenes where he's practically courting her as a child and his feelings for her originate from their interactions in the past, when she was significantly younger than him.
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:O You're right, WC! He did make the comment, "Hurry and grow up" while she was a teenager. Gosh, and he was an adult when she was a kid, so - augh, the age!

~_~ ickickick. Celestine's a freak! (just bringing light to the convo XD )
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Zero no Tsukaima:
I must say that conversation Louise had (as a little kid) with her much, much older fiance felt icky to me - especially given the guy's ultimate goals. :?
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Wait this thread isn't about chocolate? /hmm
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Strawberry Eggs. Perhaps Strawberry Marshmallow is more your style, or even Trouble Chocolate. Maybe Magical Chocolate? I'm a big fan of Strawberries and Chocolate myself. :wink:
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Sherri's Berries for the win!!
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I feel like I'm in a tiny minority. Nothing new for me. :D

Potential SPOILERS, yo.
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Strawberry Eggs, like most stories, is a story about people, and stories about people are never so simple. The major message that impressed me was actually about gender. The romantic attraction between the two main characters increased the intensity and the stakes, as the blindly man-hating principal and assistant tried to find the "dirt" on Hibiki-sensei. I'm grateful that, by the end of the show, the lesson Hibiki inadvertently created by defying a bit of convention is not completely erased. I'm glad the show was able to show the budding feelings tastefully, the mutual confusion, the guilt, the awkwardness. Both characters made mistakes, they both grew stronger, and Hibiki was able to leave Kuzuha behind (for now!). I'm hopeful that at least one person walked away with something more than "pedophilia is disgusting".

The definition of pedophilia has been thoroughly messed. I see it as sexual attraction of a person who is post-puberty to children who haven't even started going through puberty. A mutual romantic attraction between an individual, eighteen plus, and a teenage minor is not the same...it can potentially be grey whereas the former, when acted upon, is quite black. Unlike law and society would have us believe, there's no magic number, where suddenly you are ready for everything. Congratulations, you just turned 6,574 days old! Now you are instantly mature enough to fall in love, to have all the relationships and/or sex you want! That's absurd. It is just as absurd as thinking teenagers never have relationships and/or sex at all. On the flip side, I've known twenty-somethings, fourty-somethings, fifty-somethings who will probably never be mature as Kuzuha proves herself to be. I tend to ultimately think that age differences are irrelevant, so long as all parties are mature...able to step back, able to respect. I shrug at thirty+ year differences, eight years is a drop in the pond.

If the anime was trying to promote relationships with teenagers, it did a poor job, ending with no relationship and Hibiki unemployed and forced to relocate. If it was trying to promote pedophilia, I personally believe they forgot the "pedophilia" and the "pedophile" parts of the equation. The only positive lights I see are the potential that the principal might be on the road to relinquishing her blind hatred of men, the class's recognition that Hibiki was a good teacher, regardless of his gender, and Kuzuha's forgiveness to Hibiki by running after the (slowest) train (I've ever seen). Perhaps Kuzuha and Hibiki will be able to meet in the future, under less "controversial" terms; perhaps they'll never see each other again. It's bittersweet. I believe Hibiki made the right choice, but even if the ending had turned out differently, it's not the sort of situation where I am capable of true condemnation. (And in fact, my inner romantic might have been quite full of glee. :) )

Most of you had better not watch the 'sad and touching' Koi Kaze...you'll probably implode. :D I do wish that there were as many counterbalancing, thought-inspiring, fictional examples of an older female and a younger man. I remember being acquainted with a real-life university senior who was dating a second or third year high school guy. Come to think of it, their ages were probably a close parallel to Kuzuha and Hibiki. It can be hard enough to live, let alone to live with certain people going out of their way to make it tougher for certain others. So, unless it's something truly negative, like abuse, I feel it is none of my business to judge.

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Scarring kids for life? Right. It's a decent show for inspiring discussion about gender, gender expression, maybe what Parent A, Parent B or Parent C considers acceptable with their respective teenagers.

What I think scars kids for life...is treating them like fragile antiques to be kept in the closet. Handling people like glass, turns people into glass, and one day they can shatter. What I find disgusting is any absolute, no exceptions, stigma and shame around age, sex, sexual "taboos", the "opposite" sex, nudity...especially any moral high ground used to establish superiority and discrimination. Constant gossip about how celebrity A is too disgustingly old for celebrity B? Teachers fired for teaching anatomically correct anatomy? Uproar about intellectual nude parties in the Ivy Leagues? Any money, any time, wasted on the BS that is marriage="man"+"woman"? I don't know how sex-ed is now, but it was woefully inadequate when I was in school. We can't keep teenagers from falling in love or wanting to experiment by keeping them in the "dark", we can only teach them the best we know, how to keep them safe from both wanted and unwanted attention, to recognise potentially dangerous situations. (During the writing of this post, I found this potentially interesting book, Harmful to Minors. Not sure what extent I'll agree or disagree, but I might try to pick it up at a library nearby sometime)

Speaking of glass, I heard schools are banning tag and similar activities for fear of anything where one kid might push another down... :? X|
ESPECIALLY WHILE HE WAS IN GIRL MODE!!!!
Why should this matter? So it would have been better if he'd been a 'male' teacher all along? It would be even better if she was a 'female' teacher all along? So what? Yes, he should have told Kuzuha the truth, so things might not have ever escalated into a huge spectacle. Hibiki never lied about who he was. If he felt something was wrong with the way the school was run, he spoke up about it. He tried to be a good teacher to his students; it didn't matter if he was dressed up as a woman or a giraffe. The only duplicity was concerning what he was....and gender is the most over-rated dichotomy about something that is impossible to define and far more complex than a simple this or that. Let's say we replace this Hibiki with Evil Pod Hibiki, who is out to manipulate and molest Kuzuka. A non-crossdressing teacher, male or female, developing trust to abuse a student would have been just as equally reprehensible (no more, no less) as Evil Pod Hibiki.
The student is supposedly 18 but only "looks young" because of some medical condition (that only exists in the series, naturally)
No need for medical conditions for fourteen year olds to look like twenty or vice versa. If you've ever tried guessing ages; it's not so easy. If you're trying to guess the age of someone of Asian heritage, it can get much harder. There's always the genetically "lucky"/"unlucky". Makeup can do wonders. Certain trans people can be impossible to guess...even if you know (often an impossible task in itself). There are people in their fourties who could easily pass for twenties, people in their twenties and thirties who could pass as teenagers, some even as young as ~thirteen.

I think there are too many shows with "Strawberry" or "Ichigo" in the title. There need to be more anime devoted to bananas.
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Post by Keropi »

I guess you could say this is another point of division between anime fans.

There's the sub versus dub debate. There's the download versus not-download people. Then there's the divison between fans in this area.

I've got to be careful about what I recommend and say to one of my friends because he's always bringing up pedophilia this and pedophilia that (even in the places where I couldn't find anything ahead of time for him to warn him about them). The old time reviewers at Anime News Network used the "p" word all the time. I recall back when a reviewer there was talking about pedophilia in the context of the Stratos4 anime.

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Redwolf:

I think most people would find "Boku wa Imouto ni Koi wo Suru" more troubling than "Koi Kaze". My friend at work liked "Koi Kaze", but when he heard what "Boku wa Imouto" was about he started walking away from me real fast. He started raising his hands up toward the sides of his head too. :D
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mmm! Coconut cookies!!!! :drool
I'll be heading over there shortly!!! :P
And then we can watch some anime together! :wink:
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