How do you frame multi-layer cels?

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How do you frame multi-layer cels?

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Usually when it's a multi-layer cel, I just go and place mats in between for that "lift" and shadow effect. It's really cool that way. However I'm running into a problem when the multi-layer cel is actually a part of the image, aka base of head vs mouth, shadows etc... It would look weird if those layers were separated by a mat... However I absolutely do not want them to touch either because I'm afraid of cel layers sticking. Does anyone know how to remedy this situation and not with inserting a cel bag in between... Because that distorts the picture and also if you have many layers it's hard to see the little details with so much plastic separating the layers.

I hope I made sense. Anyway, please advise... Hmmm We really should make some sort of self- framing guide and just sticky it. LOL. Sadly I only know half of what I'm doing! Anyone want to point me to a more thorough guide about framing cels, I've already seen the usual ones on the net though.

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Post by minigt »

I have had a similar problems and I have been told that framing flush agaisnt the glass would work well. You do need to fix the cel / background to the backing mat plate which, if done professionally can be removed (if needed) and will not be visible. I guess you would just have to make sure the glass is not in direct sunlight or near heat as the glass can retain heat and damage the cel. Yet to try it though, but in theory it sounded ok.
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I have a cel just like this, where the mouth and eyes are on a different layer
than the body and other character.

I dont have a picture of the frame job but heres the cel I'm taking about:

http://shampoo.rubberslug.com/gallery/i ... mID=100427

All I did was separate all the layers in new cel bags (like they were all individual
cels) and handed it over to the framing folks.

They matched up everything to a T by guiding themselves by the registration
holes. You can't see or tell they are all cel-bagged behind the UV glass. :wink:
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Post by graymouser »

I have a couple of framed cels like this. One is six layers with all the eyes/mouths and one is five layers. I have them separated with spacers just like normal. I don't think there is too much trouble with odd shadows though it is true that the top layer seems to float a little. I don't think it looks too bad. They only way you would see shadows is if you are standing at an angle with your face very close to the glass.

The five layer cel has a lot a space between Chiriko's eyes and his tears.

1)face/eyes
2)spacer
3)mouth
4)spacer
5)tears

Its hard to tell from the photo since I'm bad at taking pictures, but you can see that the separation is not that obvious at normal viewing distance.

http://itamejihada.net/framed_cels/fy4d.framed.html
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Post by kizu »

minigt - Thanks for that idea. Actually it seems like it may work but I don't think I'll try it as it would drive me crazy having a cel stick to the glass..... Thanks though.

Shampoo - First... That's a really nice cel of Shampoo! *grin* I actually have a cel framed like that in a cel bag. But right now I want to explore other choices (if there were any that I wouldn't be too sissy about. LOL)

graymouser - thanks for taking the time to take pics and showing your multi-layer cel. I guess I will have them try a spacer and just see if it doesn't bother me. I'm so nit picky at times.

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Post by duotrouble »

I have a few multi layered cels with backgrounds framed. I took the cels out of the bags. I have the UV protective glass but the cels do not touch the glass. Every single layer was framed with an archival spacer. It's a special kind of spacer that framing companies use for fragile artwork. Each corner of every layer has one. Nothing is touching anything else inside the frame because of the spacers. All the layers are separate as well as the background and the glass. (I hope that all made sense.)

Here's a couple of examples. Forgive the bad photos.

http://envy.rubberslug.com/gallery/inv_ ... emID=22857

http://envy.rubberslug.com/gallery/inv_ ... emID=22859

http://envy.rubberslug.com/gallery/inv_ ... emID=22835

http://envy.rubberslug.com/gallery/inv_ ... emID=22837

Although, I will have to say if I had to do it all again, I wouldn't frame any of my cels. They are still very sensitive to light even with the UV special glass and I have no where I can hang them. Too much sunlight in my house. X|
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Greymouser - Where do you get the spacers from. They sound like a very cool idea and I have not heard of them before?
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Post by graymouser »

Hi minigt,

I think you can get them at any framing shop. If you can't find any, I am sure that what kizu said about using mats would work just as well.
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Post by kizu »

Thanks duotrouble for recommending frame spacers, although I can't really imagine how they are used without the cel touching anything... Lovely pictures too.

Minigt/graymouser, I'm not sure but this place has frame spacers? http://www.frametek.com/HTML/FrameSpace/index.html
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