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buma wrote:3. Rail passes, if you're talking about the JR railpass really isn't worth it unless you start doing extensive out-of-Tokyo travel via Shinkansen / bullet train. If you stay in the Tokyo area only, I'd pass on the railpass. To let you know, my better half and I spent around $6 a day each just on traveling by trains / subways, so it's really inexpensive - I believe the most expensive fare I had was a 210Y fare going one way (about $2 - not bad at all). I believe a 7-day railpass (which is only good for JR trains, which aren't the easiest ways to get around to some of the places in Tokyo, sometimes) is in the $150 range per person. Besides, riding the train/subway is a very good way of using up all those coins you'll be getting as all currency below 1000Y is in coinage :)
I have to somewhat disagree with this statement. Of course, it does all depend on how much traveling you do. I found the JR rail passes a lifesaver. First, I didn't have to figure out how much to get to each place. Second, I did travel the Shinkansen several times during my stays. Third, I found the JR lines to be everywhere and extremely easy to navigate. (This is coming from a girl who has never ridden trains in her life.) And finally fourth, I used my rail pass from the airport so it didn't cost anything right after getting off the airplane.

We travelled the subway twice. The first time we were thrown off the subway. The second time we were literally pushed into the side of the car because it was so crowded.

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The rail pass is definitely the way to travel across Japan if you are going longer distances - here I very much agree with you, Duo. However, the statement you quoted from my previous posting is soley based on the OP's original itinerary stated (5 days in Tokyo - Nakano, Ikebukuro, Shibuya) - lets look at the numbers I based this suggestion on:

28,300Y - 7 day 'Ordinary' Rail Pass ticket (price from JR Railpass prices)
6,220Y - N'EX Tickets to / from Shinjuku station (3,110Y X 2 - price from the JR Railways Group Airport Shuttle site)

Subtracting out the price of the N'EX tickets from the cost of the Rail Pass leaves a balance of 22,080Y left that will need to be 'zeroed' out before breaking even - which means approximately 4400Y of travel via JR Trains (and buses too, but the bus system is sort of confusing from what I understand) per day for the 5 days - which is about $40 USD. Now, using my recent trip to Japan as a guide (as that's all I have to base it on) which I mentioned previously to be about $6 USD per day - but let's use $10 for easy of calculations (just for reference, we tried to travel to two neighboring locations per day - such as Ueno and Asakusa, Marinouchi and Ginza, etc), that would mean traveling nearly 4 times as much as my GF and I did per day before you would break even on the rail pass price alone.

Now, if one were going to go to Kyoto, or Osaka or other more distant destination outside of Tokyo via Shinkansen, then by all means, yes, it is definitely worth the price of the rail pass (this is what we did and the cost of the round trip tickets to Kyoto from Tokyo equals about as much as you'd pay for the 7-day rail pass). But for the short stay limited to Tokyo the OP is currently asking about, I'd have to still suggest not getting a rail pass.

I'm sorry for your bad experiences with the subways, Duo - I have nothing but raves for it from my recent trip. The subways (linked with transferring to the JR trains as needed) usually help cut travel time down for a lot of places we went to visit. The JR Yamanote train circles all the best sites aroud Japan proper, but as it goes around Tokyo (which takes about 45 min to an hour, I believe, to loop back to your original stop), it does take a while to get to places on the 'far' side of the loop (such as going from Shinjuku to Ueno). Using the subway system in conjunction with the JR trains, it does help a lot in cutting down travel times (at least it did in my experience if you add up the travel time to and from the much further train station in my case - YMMV depending on your proximity to stations).

Truth be known, there is the Chuo local and rapid line that does cut across Tokyo as well, so you can use that as well to help save time on the JR lines. But with a much wider selection of subway lines and station locations, I think it might be better to give the subway systems a try. That is, unless you truly only plan on visiting those 3 aforementioned places (Shibuya, Ikebukuro and Nakano) - then I'd say chuck this portion of the information I'm giving you as all of those areas are directly accessible via the JR lines :)

The main reason I still recommend the subway is that there are usually more stops in the major districts of Tokyo which increases the chances of the subway stations being a lot closer to the any particular hotel one might be staying at (unless your hotel is very close by the rail lines, then all the better too!). Subways too have more lines and some places, you can't get by the JR trains without walking a good distance - like for example, Roppongi and Ginza are not accessible via JR lines directly, while each has at least 1 if not 2 subway lines within each district - with multiple stops within it too.

Also, bear in mind the 'rush' hours in Tokyo too - from 7 until 9 in the morning and from 7 until 9 at night - I'd avoid traveling any line (train or subway) as there is a good chance that it will be extremely packed just as Duo says (which I also found out the hard way... it's amazing how many people can be shoved into a train / subway car, isn't it - and there always seems to be room for 5 more too...). During these times, its good to go and get something to eat :)

Duo does bring in a good point, however - if you do only stick to the JR lines, it does make traveling much easier as you don't have to transfer from one part of the station (the subway area) to the other part of the same station (the JR portion). I must admit that the first time is a bit daunting and I must also admit that once we did get a bit turned around in Shinjuku station - but really it was our non-attention to what entrance / exit we took as we were trying to find the locker we placed our bags in on the last day we where in Japan, so it really was our fault for not paying closer attention to the big EAST EXIT sign. However, barring the above two exceptions, navigation of the stations wasn't too difficult for a non-train riders like my gf and I - we found our way with very little searching around for which direction to go in- if in doubt, follow the crowds going in :). Even if you do get lost or don't pay the right fair, don't feel too bad, as I've heard that even Japanese tourists visiting Tokyo sometimes gets turned around a bit - and they read / speak the language :) and I swear, I saw more Japanese people at the fare adjustment window than tourists...

I suggest printing out and carrying with you the following two maps:
the Tokyo Subway map - this map shows you the two major subway lines (the Metro and Toei lines) and how they interconnect with the JR lines. This was by far the more useful of the two for me, as the nearest stop to the hotel was the Shinjuku Sanchome subway stop, and from there, we went all over the place.
JR Railways Tokyo map - this map gives you an overview of the JR lines to the Tokyo and outer regions. This was mainly used as a backup to the subway map as the two main JR lines (the Yamanote and the Chuo) are shown the above (just not in the right colors, see below) and to have it for my 1 known trip outside the Tokyo loop - to Nakano (as no subway line goes directly there).

The other main use for the map are the colors of the lines - as these will be the same as the colors on the trains as well as the signs that lead you to the tracks. And too, the maps also help you coordinate locations on the fare maps where you buy your train / subway tickets, just in case it's not in English (most were, but there were one or two that didn't have the station names in Romanji).

geesh, I seem to write a lot about this... hope this hasn't bored you and I hope it is helpful! And yes, please take a lot of pics of your trip!
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Thank you so much guys for the info! Indeed I am really concerned with the transports expenses in Tokyo as I really hope to use my limited funds for shopping, food and sightseeing. It really sucks to realise that one had used more $$$ on expenses than entertainment so I am trying to gather as much info as possible so that I can have a fixed budget on my expenses. That way, I will be able to plan my intinery better.

Buma, I am learning a lot with all the info you had given me and don't ever feel that you are talking too much. In fact, the more info the better as I am such a green horn when it comes to this. I am so worried that due to my limited knowledge of Japanese, I am going to have a really hard time making my way round Tokyo.

So in conclusion, I should take the subways if I am planning to visit only a few areas? But I may have to take note that the subways may get too "bumpy" and "swingy" for me, is that right, duo?

I am not too concerned with that bumpy ride. Rather I am more concerned on my ride to Tokyo from Narita and my ride back to Narita. I should use the railway for these 2 rides, do I have that right?

Sorry for sounding confused over here. I am still trying to understand the subways and railways.

Thanks again guys! 8)
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Hey again dg :)

I'm really a green-horn too when it comes to Japan - this was my first 'real' time being there (I was there once before, but that was more of a guided thing, wasn't going about on our own like it we did this time). And don't worry about not speaking Japanese and communicating - I speak no Japanese at all except a very few words. Learn some of niceties (excuse me, thank you, please, etc etc etc) and you will be surprised how far that will get you. Usually a good travel book will have a short vocabulary section in it that can also be helpful.

And as you say, the more knowledge you have about a place you are visiting, the easier it will be for you. My trip was planned and executed within 6 weeks - from the 'Hey, let's go to Japan' stage to planning and making reservations at 3 different hotels in 3 different cities - Kyoto, Hakone, and Shinjuku - to getting plane tickets, to getting a passport for my GF who didn't have one at the impetus of this whole thing, to actual leaving on the trip, so since you have 3 more months, you should have plenty of time.

for your conclusion about 'should take the subways if visiting only a few areas' - well, that's not what I'm trying to tell you. What I am trying to tell you is not to be afraid of using both the subways and JR trains to get to your intended destinations - to use the most direct route possible. It really all depends on where you are going to stay in Tokyo and what is the closest means of transportation (meaning is the JR station or subway station closest to your hotel?) and where you intend on going to.

I suggest avoiding cabs (as they are expensive comparatively - a trip from the train station to our Kyoto hotel cost us about $15 by taxi, while the subway was under $2) and buses in Tokyo (as the bus system is suppose to be rather difficult to understand). The subway and rail lines are the cheapest means of transportation in the Tokyo area (unless you walk everywhere) - like I mentioned earlier, my average transportation costs per day was alway under $10, and averaged about $6 per person.

Depending on what you end up wanting to do, I'd plan your days accordingly ahead of time so you don't waste time while in Japan trying to figure out where you want to go that day. I don't mean that you set up a rigorous schedule that has to be kept, but have ideas on what areas you want to see and what's adjacent to it so just in case something wasn't as fun as the tour books said it was, you can just jaunt off to a nearby area and try something else. With the exception of Nakano, I'd plan to spend a few hours up to a half day at each place you'd want to go to (more if you plan on going to several places in one location - like visit the various museums in Ueno, which there are like 5 or so right next to each other).

My GF and I spent 5 days in Tokyo and in those days we went to: Ueno, Asakusa, Harajuku, Shinjuku, Shibuya, Akihabara, Marunouchi, Ginza, and of course Nakano (twice, actually). We tried to group our site-seeing days to exploring areas adjacent to each other - so one day we went to Marunouchi and saw the Imperial Palace gardens and then walked to Ginza (not that far away); another day we walked around Ueno and went to their museums and then went to neighboring Asakusa to see the Kannon temple.

As for your getting to and from Narita, there are at least 3 ways that I know of: The first is the N'EX I've mentioned before. The train isn't fast like the Shinkansen, but it is a nice and comfy ride and it isn't dependent on what traffic is like. The second option is by Limo Bus service which has the advantage if your hotel is one of those that it stops directly at (no need to haul bags very far) - but it is dependent on traffic, I think the seats are smaller, and doesn't leave as frequently as the N'EX does. The third way is via another train line (I can't think of it at the moment, but I know that there is another one) - but I'd still think I'd go for the N'EX instead unless there was some other factor involved. There might be more ways, but these are the 3 that I do know of. And yes, if my opinion is worth anything, I'd say go with the N'EX.

hope that helps!
darlingapple wrote:Thank you so much guys for the info! Indeed I am really concerned with the transports expenses in Tokyo as I really hope to use my limited funds for shopping, food and sightseeing. It really sucks to realise that one had used more $$$ on expenses than entertainment so I am trying to gather as much info as possible so that I can have a fixed budget on my expenses. That way, I will be able to plan my intinery better.

Buma, I am learning a lot with all the info you had given me and don't ever feel that you are talking too much. In fact, the more info the better as I am such a green horn when it comes to this. I am so worried that due to my limited knowledge of Japanese, I am going to have a really hard time making my way round Tokyo.

So in conclusion, I should take the subways if I am planning to visit only a few areas? But I may have to take note that the subways may get too "bumpy" and "swingy" for me, is that right, duo?

I am not too concerned with that bumpy ride. Rather I am more concerned on my ride to Tokyo from Narita and my ride back to Narita. I should use the railway for these 2 rides, do I have that right?

Sorry for sounding confused over here. I am still trying to understand the subways and railways.

Thanks again guys! 8)
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I would agree with buma, 5 days trip in Tokyo mainly, a rail pass would not be necessary. It does have the ease of not having to buy your tickets, but, thatd prob cost you over a $100 extra. If you're on limited funds, Ill learn how to use the ticket machine. It does have an English menu, and the map/chart are in Romaji at most of the stations and in the trains (LCD monitors).

I take the Narita Express. Makes only one stop at Tokyo station before getting to Shinjuku where I get off. There are some other cheaper options, but, I want to get home soon.
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RX78GP02AGUNDAM wrote:I take the Narita Express. Makes only one stop at Tokyo station before getting to Shinjuku where I get off. There are some other cheaper options, but, I want to get home soon.
Well, doesn't the N'EX also make very short stops (and I do mean very short - less than a minute) in-between at some of the stations? I know when we went, the JR agent told us to get off at Shinagawa station to make our connecting Shinkansen train to Kyoto which was a good idea as that station was much smaller and easier to navigate as compared to Tokyo station.
RX78GP02AGUNDAM wrote:I would agree with buma, 5 days trip in Tokyo mainly, a rail pass would not be necessary. It does have the ease of not having to buy your tickets, but, thatd prob cost you over a $100 extra. If you're on limited funds, Ill learn how to use the ticket machine...
The ticket machines have English instructions? hehehe - I never noticed that they did >.> I think we just watched someone ahead of us and sorta figured it out on our own :) - but going to Kyoto first helped as their subway system is dead easy (only 4 and each only intersect the others at 1 point forming a square around the city).

As always, it's a bit daunting at first, but it is pretty easy to do:
1. find your fare price on the map above the ticket machine (just find your destination and look for the number below it - that's your fare)
2. go to the machine and start inserting coins (or bills) and the different fares begin to light up as you reach that Yen amount.
3. press the button for the fare amount and it spits out your ticket and any change and voila you've just bought your ticket for the train / subway!
4. go to the ticket gate and insert your ticket in the slot at the top - the gates open and your ticket is spit out on the other side of the gate. Take the ticket with you as you'll need it to get out on the other end.
5. At your destination stop, just insert the ticket once again into the gate the exact same way you did before and if you got the fare correct, the pass gates open and lets you through. If not, you underpaid - then you just take your ticket to the fare adjust window and the person manning it will tell you how much more you need to pay (or just hold out a bunch of coins and they'll take the different you owe).

very simple :) and it makes you feel like a seasoned traveler too! At least it did for me when we both figured it out
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hhmm.. :? seems like I am getting a lot of advice on taking the subway trains for the few places that I am planning to visit... I will go and get some research done and see if I can work out a list of places to visit and budget from there. Thanks guys for all these information. By the way, I am having problems booking a hotel in Shinjuku. Will be be too far away to Nakano should I book another hotel in Asakusa? The map I had printed out gives me the impression that it seems rather far.... :x
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Asakusa to Nakano shouldn't take more than 30 minutes or so to get to so I wouldn't worry about it too much. In fact, IMHO, just about anyplace within the Tokyo vicinity should be fine hotel-wise and travel-wise. You can get to just about all the stations in Tokyo proper in under an hour - most probably within 40 minutes as the trains come so often.

And don't let the map fool you - it does appear to be a lot bigger than it actually is. About 80% of what you'll most likely want to visit will be in the immediate vicinity of the train stations and in walking distance - but of course, there are exceptions, but for the most part, this is true.

Is the time you are going coincide with spring, or during some kind of convention or something? That may be why you are having problems finding rooms, but keep looking, there is bound to be one that will fit the bill!

darlingapple wrote:hhmm.. :? seems like I am getting a lot of advice on taking the subway trains for the few places that I am planning to visit... I will go and get some research done and see if I can work out a list of places to visit and budget from there. Thanks guys for all these information. By the way, I am having problems booking a hotel in Shinjuku. Will be be too far away to Nakano should I book another hotel in Asakusa? The map I had printed out gives me the impression that it seems rather far.... :x
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The reason for the problems encountered during the hotel booking was due to the fact that the server or website was not working, I think? I had tried to book a hotel using the rakuten travel help and after entering all my details, I kept getting an error message that says the following:

We're very sorry. An error occurred during processing.
Please try again.(CCS00100)

Anyway, I had sent an email to them and hopefully I will get a reply from them and that I will try booking that hotel again later on. But given the choice, I will still prefer to get a hotel in Shinjuku as it is nearer to Nakano and I really do not want to spend a whole day running around and then dragging my weary body back to my hotel and enduring a ride that takes more than 30 mins... :P

By the way, any good recommendations on the type of Japan guide book that I should buy?
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here are the books I bought for my recent trip:

Fodor's guide to Japan - the 'standard' that most other guides are compared to. This honkin' big book is about traveling throughout Japan in general, but it does still have a sizable section on Tokyo too. Between the 4 books that my better half and I purchased, this was still the overall winner for its very good descriptions of places to visit, shop, eat, and stay at as well as it's easy-to-read maps. the only downside of it is it's pretty heavy to carry around all day, but that's why I bought the book below.

Time Out Guide to Tokyo - don't let this thinner book fool you, it has a lot of useful information. My edition of it (I believe the previous to the one I've linked) even has a section about Otaku in Japan and has info for the Broadway mall and a few other manga / anime specialty stores throughout Tokyo. The best thing to is that it is small, so you can carry it with you and use the plentiful maps of each area to help find all the neato burrito things to see and do!

no matter which guide you end up buying, do get the latest edition of them as things do tend to change. For example, I had last years edition (as it was the only one available at the time) and we wanted to find a specific electronics dealer in Akihabara. We spend quite a bit of time roaming around looking for this specific store that the Fodor's guide mentioned... only to finally figure out that it had been taken over by a competitor who had occupied the exact same building and that we passed numerous times looking for the place :)

hope that helps :)
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Gosh! Buma, you are providing with lots of valuable info here and I am so grateful for that! Thanks a lot! Sorry for sounding nosey though, I will like to look for anime cels such as FY cels, I have no idea with regards to whether I need to write the name down in Jap to give them an idea on the cel I am looking for or I need to provide them with the pictures of the series or they do understnad English? Will you be able to advise me on this? Thanks! :D
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They usually have 1-2 on staff that speak english (if you can
ask for Eimi?ko? she is really good) however
in my experience, it always helps to just have the title
your looking for written out in japanese characters so you
can just hand it to the employee.

Not to sound like a rain cloud but just note that the best cels
usually are posted online or bought up by local dealers
and early-goers so dont get too discouraged by the selection.
Try to go at 12pm when they open.

Going to japan solely for cel shopping isnt really the best
way to make out of the trip.
Do have fun and go visit other districts
and really "see" Tokyo (maybe even a day trip to Kamakura
to see big Buddha if you can ) :)
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Thank you Shampoo! I appreciate your sound advice on this! I am of course hoping to get lucky and find a few lovely cels in Japan but I have every intention to go sightseeing and to take lots of pictures!

I hope I can get to see the peach blossoms when I get to Japan! :love:
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to answer your questions - yes - bring both the Japanese text of the shows (I got mine off of YJ's listings, actually, and pasted them into a word processor and printed it out to bring with me) and / or print a picture or 3 of the main characters to show the dealers. That way you get both bases covered. It's amazing what they know (well, I guess it's their business to know, so...) and they were very willing to help me out (and I ain't a cute little girl either).

and just a reminder - cash is still king in Japan. It's always good to carry a good deal with you as some of the places you'd be visiting don't take credit cards. I don't know how it is where you are, but in the US, I carry a minimal of cash with me (usually under $50 at most times), primarily dependent on my credit cards for a majority of my day-to-day purchases. In Japan however, I had approximately the equivalent of about $400 on me at all times just in case I found something I had to have and they didn't take credit cards :)

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Oh yes, that is helpful. In that case, I will print out one page of the title of the anime series that I am looking for and I will print out another page of some of the characters in the series. It is always nice to know that there are helpful staff who will help you to search for what you are looking for.

I understand that cash is still the fav form of payment in Japan and that it is always good to bring extra cash with you. I am just concerned about taking out a huge wad of cash when making payment and attracting unexpected attention as a result (I have this really bad habit of putting all my cash in one pocket! :evil: ). I must admit I do hate wearing a pouch as I tend to put a of of things especially change in loose coins which tends to be very heavy and making it very difficult for me to move around and I like to travel light. Perhaps a pair of jeans with lots of pockets?
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