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[zerospace]

I really don't want to be the one to do this, but I really.. have to say something. I've just paid for probably my 4th shipment from Anicyo and I'm about an inch away from cancelling my premium membership. There isn't a piece of artwork on that site that is truly worth paying piles of fees just to get.

The fees are outrageous! And believe me, I'm not one to skimp. I pay for all my anime rather than download it, and I'm not opposed to paying for excellent services, etc. But, this borders on extortion. I just paid $40 in fees to get 5 items shipped to me. Five. 4 of which are dougas. Now I have looked at the fee breakdown--can someone please explain to me why I'm paying what essentially amounts to $12 in handling fees alone? My last shipment I paid a handling fee of about $10. It feels as though I'm paying for shipping to Anicyo twice and then shipping to me, twice.

First, I'm paying about $7 and up in fees when I win the items and this, of course, is after the 500 yen per month subscription fee that gives me the privilege of being a bidder there. By the time they are done tacking on all the fees, I pay far more to Anicyo than I do for the item -- and then I have to pay 1500 yen every two weeks to get the stuff shipped to me. Fees aside, why only two weeks? Can't we be allowed to at least let a month's worth of stuff build up? At least then that would save us some of the fees.

Stephen, this is not a personal jab at you -- I want you to understand that. But I know I am not the only person who feels this way--I've spoken to at least one other person who has the same feelings on the Anicyo fees as I do. Seriously, I'm inches away from cancelling my membership there--it just isn't worth it, but before I go that far, I wanted to make my thoughts known. If anyone else feels the same way, please speak up--you aren't alone.

I know I'm probably just spitting into the wind here, and if that's the case I'll just close my mouth and move on and leave those who do not mind the fees to go on their merry ways. Thanks for reading, though .

[Kujaku]

So Anicyo fees aren't comparible to other DP service's fees? Can you give an example of Anicyo's fees. If you don't want to post it, can you PM it to me? I haven't bought anything yet with my account from Anicyo, but now I am curious on the overall fees.

Here is just a visual (breakdown of the fees) example :

Cel
http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/
2,750yen
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Shipping from seller 1,050yen
Bank account charge 105yen
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Total for Auction 3,905yen
Converted to U.S.dollars $36.16
4% of $36.16 $1.45
Bid fee $6.00
ATM withdrawal fee $3.00
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Total Payment $46.61

Let me know how Anicyo fees compares to a normal DP fees in regards to bidding on Yahoo Japan.

[zerospace]

Sure.. umm--I can give you an example with an item ending at 1,000 yen. Let's see if I can get the fee breakdown correct. Firstly, you pay Anicyo twice for each item (two separate sets of fees):

The first set of fees, I have no idea what they are for (I can only equate them to commission). This is for a 1,000 yen CEL:

Ending price: 1,000 yen
Fees: 710 yen

This seems reasonable, no? Ok. But the real fun begins when you pay for shipping to YOU (which is also when you pay for shipping from the seller to Anicyo).

Shipping to Anicyo: 280 yen
Shipping to you (for an entire order 1 item or I've had up to 7 thus far): 1500 yen

Packaging and handling fee: ???

I don't know how they calculate this fee. For my last two orders, it has been 930 yen to 1140 yen. My first order it was a mere 500 yen (3 sketch sets), and for my second order it was 1240 yen (1 large cel). I can't even begin to figure out how they figure this--size of items maybe? I don't know. But my 7 item order was 6 sketch sets and 1 cel.

I also want to stress that of course, you pay the shipping cost to Anicyo per item - not per order of course, and multiple items from the same seller ARE NOT combined in the shipping to Anicyo calculations. So if you win 5 sketches from the same seller, its 190 yen PER SKETCH.

So add it up -- 1000 yen + 710 + 280 ... then add in the fraction of the handling charge and the shipping to you charge and voila. A $10 item becomes $30 very quickly. Now this isn't necessarily my issue. My issue is, I am forced to get shipments every 2 weeks - so if items aren't received by Anicyo before my current order deadline (I've had them come in the day AFTER *sigh*)...

All I have to say is it is extremely expensive. Especially when you add in the 500 yen per month membership fee. These shipping fees are what is killing me....

[Cloud]

Everything I need to know, I learned from my botmaster.

[ginga123]

I can understand your frustration. I disliked the fact that something so light, like 10 page genga set for 2,000 yen, for example, would end up costing me close to $40 with Rinkya and at least $35 from SMJ.

I thought of it as a slight investment; but, your situation sounds like extortion. I never heard of a monthly fee for just being a member.

I am glad that I am a broke grad right now^^.

[zerospace]

Honestly, I know my regular YJ deputy service charges me very similar fees, except in the shipping department -- and that's where I'd say my true issue here lies. Let me just say this: my last YJ shipment from my deputy cost me $47 for 6 art books, a set of settei (so another heavy item) plus several cels. Again, why am I paying $40 for 4 sheets of paper + a cel. That's really the issue here.

The 1500 yen is understandable -- even the shipping to Anicyo CAN be understandable (though the per item, no matter how many items you win from the same seller thing does bother me slightly), but what's with this handling fee that was lowest on my very first shipment and has only gone up since then?

Are there too many hands in the pot or does Anicyo need to explain these fees a little better so we can understand what we're really paying for?

[Kujaku]

Honestly, I know my regular YJ deputy service charges me very similar fees, except in the shipping department -- and that's where I'd say my true issue here lies. Let me just say this: my last YJ shipment from my deputy cost me $47 for 6 art books, a set of settei (so another heavy item) plus several cels. Again, why am I paying $40 for 4 sheets of paper + a cel. That's really the issue here.

The 1500 yen is understandable -- even the shipping to Anicyo CAN be understandable (though the per item, no matter how many items you win from the same seller thing does bother me slightly), but what's with this handling fee that was lowest on my very first shipment and has only gone up since then?

Are there too many hands in the pot or does Anicyo need to explain these fees a little better so we can understand what we're really paying for?

Now I get it. The other fees are very similar to other DP Fees (I spend about $30 winning something for 1,000 yen). Yeah, I can see your end about the shipping fees. 2 weeks is a pretty short period as well. I usually like to wait until I get a good amount of winnings before having them ship out to make it worth the shipping cost. Looks like with Anicyo, that's not the case. hmmmm. I'm glad you posted. I wouldn't have known this.

[zerospace]

Glad to.. well, ok, not really. I don't like complaining, honestly. I'm the kind of person who's usually quite ready and willing to pay for a good service, but like I said.. this $30-$40 every two weeks for a handful of sketches and maybe a cel is hurting and making it seem not worth having the account.

So I guess my suggestion would really be: is there any possible way to extend the 2 week period to say.. at least a month?

I guess my regular YJ DS spoils me -- the fees are low and they'll let me wait 3+ months between shipments.

[Cloud]

What do you like? Who made you the kind of person who is usually quite ready and willing to pay for a good service but like I said ?

[awajikiwi]

Honestly, I know my regular YJ deputy service charges me very similar fees, except in the shipping department -- and that's where I'd say my true issue here lies. Let me just say this: my last YJ shipment from my deputy cost me $47 for 6 art books, a set of settei (so another heavy item) plus several cels. Again, why am I paying $40 for 4 sheets of paper + a cel. That's really the issue here.

The 1500 yen is understandable -- even the shipping to Anicyo CAN be understandable (though the per item, no matter how many items you win from the same seller thing does bother me slightly), but what's with this handling fee that was lowest on my very first shipment and has only gone up since then?

Are there too many hands in the pot or does Anicyo need to explain these fees a little better so we can understand what we're really paying for?

What you need to understand is paypal takes there cut and their cut comes from the total amount not the just the fees anicyo so basically 40% of the fee is lost from paypal fees.

Shipping Fees (Japan side) - Normally 1000 yen per auction, but because we ask the seller me ship items together it normally ends around 200 yen

Shipping Fees to You - I charged what the post office charges me.

Package Fees - Cardboard and tape and hiring a person to pack items costs money.

Transaction Fees - Banks card fees ranging from 210 to 720 to do wire transfers.

Hope this helps.

[awajikiwi]

Glad to.. well, ok, not really. I don't like complaining, honestly. I'm the kind of person who's usually quite ready and willing to pay for a good service, but like I said.. this $30-$40 every two weeks for a handful of sketches and maybe a cel is hurting and making it seem not worth having the account.

So I guess my suggestion would really be: is there any possible way to extend the 2 week period to say.. at least a month?

I guess my regular YJ DS spoils me -- the fees are low and they'll let me wait 3+ months between shipments.

This could be done, I have no problems in doing this.

[zerospace]

It would be nice if you could do the longer time between shipments... perhaps make it optional? That would be great!

[awajikiwi]

It would be nice if you could do the longer time between shipments... perhaps make it optional? That would be great!

I will make it 2 months.

[zerospace]

Wonderful!

Thank you Stephen, and thanks for putting up with my silly ranting. *sweat*

[awajikiwi]

So Anicyo fees aren't comparible to other DP service's fees? Can you give an example of Anicyo's fees. If you don't want to post it, can you PM it to me? I haven't bought anything yet with my account from Anicyo, but now I am curious on the overall fees.

Here is just a visual (breakdown of the fees) example :

Cel
http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/
2,750yen
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Shipping from seller 1,050yen
Bank account charge 105yen
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Total for Auction 3,905yen
Converted to U.S.dollars $36.16
4% of $36.16 $1.45
Bid fee $6.00
ATM withdrawal fee $3.00
-----------------------------------------------------
Total Payment $46.61

Let me know how Anicyo fees compares to a normal DP fees in regards to bidding on Yahoo Japan.

Anicyo Cel 2,750yen
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Shipping from seller 1,100yen (can be as low as 150 yen if the shipper ships items together)
Bank account charge 210yen
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Total for Auction 4,060yen
Converted to U.S.dollars N/A
4% of $36.16 None
Bid fee None
ATM withdrawal fee None
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Total Payment $4,060yen



Other fees Packaging 1000 and upwards (depending on the size of the order) - This is per order and now orders can held for to months.