Post Your Newest Sketch/Genga/douga/etc...

[Cenbe]

^ Does that movie involve a violin? If so I saw some sketches up on Yahoo Japan like a month ago.

Yes, that's the one!

I hope you find more sketches from the show, and that they don't cost much

Me too, wouldn't that be great!

[Blaster]

Two new douga/layout for me

Since I only have large scans, I'll link them rather than slowing the boards down:

Ikkitousen
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/ ... ey_end.jpg

My-Hime (I am a bit divided about this set. The screen caps don't quite match up - they seem to have been filmed from a slightly different angle. I have been thinking that this set might be a test set? It does come with a timing sheet - So I'm inclined to think it is official. Does anyone have any ideas?)

Layout
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/ ... ayout2.jpg

Screen
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/ ... G_0004.jpg

[redwolf]

The My-HiME layout/screenshot discrepancy is nothing to worry about...layouts always look different from the final screenshot, to varying degrees. The only sketches you can exactly compare to screenshots are douga. With a douga sketch, there should be one screenshot that matches.

Nice sketch acquisitions, by the way.

[sensei]

I agree: the perspectives sometimes get radically cleaned up after the layout stage. In one set from CCS, I actually got some of these "clean-up" drawings. See the thumbs that go with this layout:

http://sensei.rubberslug.com/gallery/in ... mID=118058

and this one also:

http://sensei.rubberslug.com/gallery/in ... mID=128404

I agree, though: it's a very nice image, with the feeling of the characters already present, and thanks for providing the screen cap for comparison.

(And so long as we're sharing ... I put the link up already in my gallery update thread ... but if you missed it, come see ...

http://sensei.rubberslug.com/gallery/in ... mID=241602

... from the "Muchos Smoochos" scene from Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne.

[Blaster]

The My-HiME layout/screenshot discrepancy is nothing to worry about...layouts always look different from the final screenshot, to varying degrees. The only sketches you can exactly compare to screenshots are douga. With a douga sketch, there should be one screenshot that matches.

Nice sketch acquisitions, by the way.

Thanks redwolf

Nice sketch there sensei!

When you say that sometimes the perspecives get cleaned up after the layout stage, is there usually any genga's drawn beforehand? I have the genga set from the My Hime scene also and they all match up to the layout rather than the screens.

[sensei]

When you say that sometimes the perspecives get cleaned up after the layout stage, is there usually any genga's drawn beforehand? I have the genga set from the My Hime scene also and they all match up to the layout rather than the screens.

Huh. That is an oddity. You might have a deleted scene, then, especially if the gengas don't match up with the screens. Normally, by the time the gengas are drawn, the perspectives have been worked out already.

Golly, now I dunno.

[Blaster]

When you say that sometimes the perspecives get cleaned up after the layout stage, is there usually any genga's drawn beforehand? I have the genga set from the My Hime scene also and they all match up to the layout rather than the screens.

Huh. That is an oddity. You might have a deleted scene, then, especially if the gengas don't match up with the screens. Normally, by the time the gengas are drawn, the perspectives have been worked out already.

Golly, now I dunno.

Well if it has you stumped, I'm in a bit of trouble

I'll post some scans of the genga when I get home. I did originally think they might have been fakes - but with the timing sheet included, plus 2 other layouts it seems pretty official (To me anyway)

[sensei]

I did originally think they might have been fakes - but with the timing sheet included, plus 2 other layouts it seems pretty official (To me anyway)

IMHO if you're going to perpetrate a fake, you'd want to match the screen caps. With PPGZ lots of times the perspectives don't at all match the final production, but these are rough sketches that fall before the genga stage. I can't immediately think of a case when the perspective changed at the shuusei stage. Though there have been cases when the look of the characters and their actions changed quite a bit -- as in the CCS examples I linked above.

I have a Sasami: Mahou Shoujo Club sketch set that came with two complete sets of dougas, which are quite different in one part because someone at the last moment didn't like the look of how the character turned from one side to another. But, so far as I can tell, this didn't affect the way the character was placed in the background.

Mmmmmm ... I'll look forward to the other scans. Right now I'm leaning toward "deleted scene."

[Blaster]

As promised here is a scan of the genga. I also included the timing sheet in case anyone can translate the dialogue for me. It might help with the placement of the scene.

Genga
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/ ... ey_End.jpg

Timing
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/ ... Timing.jpg

Sorry the timing scan is a bit small, but I think it's easy enough to read.

Thinking about the episode, there are a couple of spots a scene like this could've been cut.

[sensei]

Well, here's what I can infer from the scans:

1. The layout perspective more-or-less matches the genga (though the character by the window is seen at an angle in the layout but more straight-up in the genga). However, neither of these match the perspectives in the screen cap, which puts the "camera's eye" closer to the first character's face and a little higher up than your sketches. Also, none of the poses of the characters match. That's significant, because...

2. Your genga is an A1 END. That means that nobody moves in this cut, though the closest character blinks her eyes (C layer) and has some dialogue (the B layer is her mouth lip-synching the words written to the right of the genga numbers in the long column labeled "S"). So the sketches have to be from a different scene from the screen cap, or else there would have to be keys that show the characters changing from the poses in your genga to the ones in the cap. And ...

3. The column to the right of "S" in the timing sheet would be where the douga numbers would be written in. They're all left blank. So no dougas were ordered for this scene, apparently.

So ... your sketch set is from a deleted scene that can only be viewed by coming to your website.

Now if you could get Kittens or some other savvy Betarian to read the dialogue in the timing sheet, then you'd have an idea of what was supposed to be going on at this moment and fit it into the episode plot as it appears in the final show.

Heh. Interesting situation.

[redwolf]

2. Your genga is an A1 END. That means that nobody moves in this cut, though the closest character blinks her eyes (C layer) and has some dialogue (the B layer is her mouth lip-synching the words written to the right of the genga numbers in the long column labeled "S"). So the sketches have to be from a different scene from the screen cap, or else there would have to be keys that show the characters changing from the poses in your genga to the ones in the cap. And ...

Actually...the dialogue on the side is （お）きいてたの？ --You listened to us/You overheard us?-- which is exactly the same as the dialog from the scene in the screenshot. In the final version, all three of the characters move, and instead of the closest character (Youko) blinking before she speaks, her eyes widen.

Whoever put a stop on this version of the scene must have felt it needed more dramatic perspective and reactions to the point that it was better to start from scratch. That's my guess, anyway.

I caught this group of My-HiME auctions, and the couple others I checked out (of Mikoto) didn't match the final scenes, either...probably deleted/revised scenes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole lot of them were like that. Offhand, I don't remember seeing any with pictures of douga.

[Blaster]

Awesome! Thanks for the help guys!

I did win another set of Hime genga which as redwolf said doesn't match any screens, so there must've been a few scenes that got redone.

I much prefer this scene over the final cut. I just like the way the characters are looking straight at the viewer.

Another mystery solved

[sensei]

In the final version, all three of the characters move, and instead of the closest character (Youko) blinking before she speaks, her eyes widen.

Thanks for the extra info, redwolf. BTW, the instructions on the genga might well say "eyes widen." In my rough'n'ready knowledge of Japanese, I just "know" that a certain set of characters means "mouth layer" and another means "eye layer," and as ordering an eye layer usually means a blink, I assumed it did so here. But I could be ( gasp! ) wrong.

Sensei's wife adds quietly, "And he usually is."

[miz ducky]

I guess this is one of my newest. I'm still working on scanning an uploading some, but the newest ones are closer to the top.

http://mizducky.rubberslug.com/gallery/ ... mID=257092

[Cloud]

How many hours do you work?