Cel Registry

[kenshikenji]

i brought this up before but would like to consider it again. anyone, or rubberslug, ever consider making a cel registry site? It would be awesome to know if and where all the cels exist of a certain episode and cel number (dont know how the numbering would work). can it just be an extention to rubberslug? would like to hear some brainstorm ideas on how it would theoretically work. wouldnt a registry site make it a lot easier hunting for your dream cels?

[kira]

i thought stephen kinda did this when he put up his new auction site.

or am i wrong on that?

[logorzat]

That would be cool but I'm not really sure how it would work.

[Moop]

While it's a fun idea in theory, I have serious doubts as to whether it would work satisfactorily in practice. Aside from the obvious logistics problems, a huge percentage of those dream cels are hidden away in Japanese collections and will never make it into any sort of registry. My guess is that the vast majority of your registrants will probably be RS members - with cels that are already there for the ogling with a simple image search.

wouldnt a registry site make it a lot easier hunting for your dream cels?

That's another issue. I'm afraid a lot of people will consider such a listing to be a make-an-offer smorgasbord. That could get pretty annoying for those who bother to register.

[kenshikenji]

im sure this registry would evolve,

couldnt there be an option whether or not to receive offers or even allow people to see the owner of the cel.

oh how bout you make a registry where the collectors can edit it, just like wikipedia?

it would also be cool if the site could string together cels that are from the same scene and animate it.

how would a sorting method evolve?

i can think of a primitive way to sort the cels, it starts with an initial entry of a cel under a particular series or movie, and every subsequent entry can be placed before or after a cel, or in between two previously entered cels . and the cel community will correct any mistakes with the help of any moderators like wikipedia.

and how bout a "to be sorted" box, for collectors unsure about what movie or scene a cel is from, where other collectors can suggest where it belongs.

[moonrabitt]

I think that this sounds like a good idea
Although we need to find someone that's really GOOD with coding and so forth, and someone willing to host it.

I think that a simpler Idea would be to add a new box to Rubberslug under "Cel Information" and that it says "Episode Number" and then that you could be able to find cels by episode numbers on "Search"

It would be awesome to know if and where all the cels exist of a certain episode and cel number

The problem here is grouping them by SCENE. By episode is the easy part, but by scene is the very Difficult part. I mean how many hundreds of scenes are there? And how in the world do you group them???
Maybe we could move cels around near other cels from the same sequence???

[RoboFlonne]

What would happen if two people claimed to have the same cel?

Who would decide who had the real one?

[kenshikenji]

What would happen if two people claimed to have the same cel?

Who would decide who had the real one?

then the two would have to take a picture of themselves with the cel...naked...whoever cant produce is a fraud, and will immediately be killed by a contracted hitman...

in all seriousness, a picture of themselves with the cel or at least a piece of paper that has their user name with the cel will prove that he/she is in possession of the cel. Im sure it will almost never come to this since cel collectors are of the highest moral stature.

I think that this sounds like a good idea
Although we need to find someone that's really GOOD with coding and so forth, and someone willing to host it.

I think that a simpler Idea would be to add a new box to Rubberslug under "Cel Information" and that it says "Episode Number" and then that you could be able to find cels by episode numbers on "Search"



The problem here is grouping them by SCENE. By episode is the easy part, but by scene is the very Difficult part. I mean how many hundreds of scenes are there? And how in the world do you group them???
Maybe we could move cels around near other cels from the same sequence???

i think the self-governing sorting method i talked about should clear this up. if someone makes a mistake, moderators guided by rabid otakus will surely adjust things in their right place. just knowing if a cel comes before another cel should sort the cels by scenes automatically. when things evolve maybe an upload of a clip or a link to youtube will be provided by viewers.

i agree, all we need is a web programmer, but even one with the bare minimum skills of programming should get some sort of test model up. it wouldnt take that much effort to get some crude prototype up and running where we can contribute, and debugging happen as we go along.

can anyone program?

[sensei]

I've done this myself in a small way, with very significant cuts that are held by a number of online curators. Examples:

CCS: Episode 65, the Yue/Touya "Power Transfer"

TnN: Episode 26: Angel Mikael Encountering Natsumi

AMG: Belldandy and Holy Bell singing in the forest

It might just be simpler for enthusiasts of specific series to collect and provide links of this sort on their gallery pages. The html markup language is relatively simple:

<a href="http://URL OF CEL BEING LINKED TO" target="_blank">LINK TEXT</a>

(Watch that the quotation marks don't get changed to "smart quotes" by your word processing program. If they lean either way, the html language will no longer work, as I found out in one of my recent gallery makeovers.)

In my opinion, a centralized registry would be too enormous a project to make much headway. Add the constant motion of cels from collector to collector, and the registry webmaster will need to quit his or her day job to keep up. On the other hand, many small-scale pages like the ones I've produced with a little research could eventually be linked or merged.

Each one register one, and (as the Chinese magician said when he got a power failure reversed by getting everyone in the audience to applaud) many hands make light work.

[Penguinton]

It sounds like a cool idea...But rather confusing to execute. I suppose a programmer could do it but it seems to be alot of work for very little payoff.

[kenshikenji]

In my opinion, a centralized registry would be too enormous a project to make much headway. Add the constant motion of cels from collector to collector, and the registry webmaster will need to quit his or her day job to keep up. On the other hand, many small-scale pages like the ones I've produced with a little research could eventually be linked or merged.

Each one register one, and (as the Chinese magician said when he got a power failure reversed by getting everyone in the audience to applaud) many hands make light work.

i think the constant change in ownership presents no more of a problem than erasing a cel from your own gallery once you sell it to another collector.

[sensei]

i think the constant change in ownership presents no more of a problem than erasing a cel from your own gallery once you sell it to another collector.

Maybe you know a simpler way to handle this? When I maintain these pages, I have to open two tabs, one for the page in RS, and one for the "manage items" option in "My Account." Then on the RS page, I click on the links to see which ones are still good. If one is broken, then I have to go into "My Account" and delete that link. So far, so good.

But then I need to locate (if I can) where that cel has gone to. That means opening a third tab for the RS "Search" and doing a search for that character. It can be problematic if the name is transliterated more than one way (Touya/Toya or Kerberos/Cerberus/Big Kero). Then, inevitably, I find more cels that have popped up in collections that now need to be included somewhere in other lists of links that I maintain.

I do keep a file with dozens of copies of my html markup, so I can highlight the url, drag it onto the page, write a short LINK TEXT (usually just the sequence number). [Unfortunately, too many curators fail to list the sequence number, so then I have to write a short text describing about where in the cut the cel must appear.] Then I move that and the gallery name over to "My Account" and add it to my page text there. Upload changes, and the list is now up to date. Not difficult, but certainly more time consuming than simply deleting items in an existing list.

For important cuts like the ones I highlighted, it's a labor of love, and I enjoy finding out who (like me) loves a particular moment in a favorite anime. But I'd have to admit that it is labor, and a job that I'd have trouble committing myself to for cels in series that I don't personally care for.

[zerospace]

i agree, all we need is a web programmer, but even one with the bare minimum skills of programming should get some sort of test model up. it wouldnt take that much effort to get some crude prototype up and running where we can contribute, and debugging happen as we go along.

can anyone program?

I'm a web programmer, and I can tell you this: this idea is nowhere near as simple as you might think. To write something like this would take an enormous amount of time and effort - far more than anything in simple HTML takes. A project such as this would most definitely require as much (and possibly more) effort than it took to create Rubberslug. And that is no small feat!

And if anything has been pretty evident in the cel community -- there is very little payoff for such efforts other than a lot of time spent handling requests by users/members,some of which would most certainly be rude or demanding. This is not something most volunteer programmers would probably have much patience or time for in the long run.

While it is a cool idea, it would take someone with the skill needed to actually want to do it and devote their time to it. For example: I spent a month (8-10 hours a day) writing the base programming and creating the database for my own cel gallery software that runs my personal non-RS site, and I've spent tons of time since then writing new modules for it and/or tweaking it and fixing bugs. It's really unlikely that someone would volunteer to do that kind of work casually... without any kind of incentive unless they really really wanted to do it.

Just my 2 yen, feel free to ignore.

[RoboFlonne]

What would happen if two people claimed to have the same cel?

Who would decide who had the real one?

then the two would have to take a picture of themselves with the cel...naked...whoever cant produce is a fraud, and will immediately be killed by a contracted hitman...

in all seriousness, a picture of themselves with the cel or at least a piece of paper that has their user name with the cel will prove that he/she is in possession of the cel. Im sure it will almost never come to this since cel collectors are of the highest moral stature.

Yes! We, Cel Collectors are the bestest people of the world!!

Taking the naked pictures would probably not work. lol...

I was thinking more about how lazy or busy some of us are and how many people will fail to update the list when they sold the cel.

[Cloud]

You must be a man.