Cel Registry

Keropi · Post by **Keropi** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:47 pm

Now that would be interesting to me.

Those are the kinds shows I'm most interested in anyway - a wider variety of less popular series. Those are the hardest shows to find out about collectingwise. I try to avoid the more popular series because there's too much competition for those.

For cels it would be helpful.

zerospace · Post by **zerospace** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:25 pm

What sensei suggests makes a lot more sense than an individual cel registry. It would also be considerably far less work to implement!

frozentime · Post by **frozentime** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:25 pm

Actually, that's a pretty good suggestion. Though it might not be so different from what you could achieve with the rubberslug search option, a nice, well defined, grouping would make this much more convenient. It would also be nice to include all of those who take the time and effort to design their own beautiful galleries, if they wish to provide a link.

kenshikenji · Post by **kenshikenji** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:30 pm

glorff wrote:There are tens of millions of cels out there if not hundreds of millions. Most of these are trash that are either sitting in a box or gone forever.Most of the rest are not posted on the net or available to add to a project.

There are many thousands of titles that have been made, the vast majority of them vanishing into obscurity withing months of the time they air.

If you are really interested in something like this you should start with one show and try to make that work.

I think that the overwhelming nature of this project is escaping you.

how bout seperate registries for differnent series and movies? run by the die hard fans of each series? i dont think it would be too overwhelming if it is run by all the fans on the trust and honor system so no mods are necessary. Im sure you guys can think of a billion things that can go wrong, but i dont think that most of them will actually happen. what about stealing cel pictures? and such and such... well .. i dont know but i doubt it will happen, and when it does im sure the cel community will watch everyones back.

Post by **sensei** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:13 pm

glorff wrote:There are tens of millions of cels out there if not hundreds of millions. Most of these are trash that are either sitting in a box or gone forever.

Heh. I got that brought home to me this morning. I bid on what looked like a pile of miscellaneous art from the Nakamura movie A Tree of Palme (which is pretty good, btw, even if the plot makes Akira (on which Nakamura also worked) seem positively lucid. The thing I really wanted was a cel from the climax of the movie, the healing of the ghost-warrior Koram, which occurs close to the end. I could see one in the pile, so I figured that would make bidding on the lot worth it even if I had to take a lot of extra stuff with it. (And some of the extra stuff looked interesting also.)

After several complications and an eye-opening extra charge for shipping, I finally got the box. The contents took a lot of sorting out before I could see just what it was I'd bought: the lot actually came stuffed inside a shopping bag, which had been packed in a box with some crumpled Japanese newspapers. (Yes, a lot of the items took a beating, especially on the corners.)

After quite a bit of sorting, I finally realized that what I'd gotten in that shopping bag (among other things) was the entire cut of the movie's most important moment. Ninety-three cels worth: A1-A32 END (Koram's body and face), B1-B9 END (her eyes slowly opening at the start of the cut), and C1-C52 END (her hair and clothes gently blowing in the breeze that always surrounds her). Oh, with all 93 dougas, two copy layouts, the original background (a huge sheet of paper painted an impenetrable black), and the cut bag.

Considering that of these, maybe only about fifteen cels/set-ups are really displayable, and you get some sense of what Glorff is saying. I'm certain that the vast majority of cels that were used to make anime movies or series either have been or soon will be destroyed, and without regrets (though my scholar's self is quietly happy that this series, at least, will survive as a complete set).

I still think it would be worthwhile to think about a global catalog of anime series for which art exists and is being collected. That would be daunting enough, as anyone who's browsed through Anime News Network or visited Mandarake (so many series ... who collects them all?) can tell.

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:13 pm

I will take that under consideration.

Moop · Post by **Moop** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:16 pm

Poor kenshikenji, what a lot of wet blankets we are! But to build on glorff's and sensei's comments regarding the scope of the project as you envision it, consider this: After seven years of proud collectors spending countless hours scanning and uploading their most beautiful artwork, Rubberslug now displays enough cels that, if they were strung end to end, would create (drum roll, please) about four and a half anime episodes. Yep, about one third of one season of one anime.

However, I agree with sensei; it would be great to know who the collectors of any given series are (and maybe to link to their galleries if applicable).

kenshikenji · Post by **kenshikenji** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:35 pm

i still can dream, one day ill start a kenshin registry just to see if anarchy can work. a good social experiment.

zerospace · Post by **zerospace** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:33 am

The most daunting part of creating some kind of global gallery listing site would be the list of anime (especially if the plan was to make it searchable or browsable by anime title) - as sensei pointed out, just browse Anime News Network and you'll have an idea. However, because sites like Anime News Network have put lists like that together, it would make shorter work of that task for anyone undertaking this venture.

Post by **sensei** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:52 am

It certainly would make curators a little more conscientious about locating the episode/cut in which their cels appear. Nothing is worse than seeing "that" cel in a gallery with no identifying information, sometimes not even a sequence number. Add people who just have "stuff" in their closets. (Don't laugh: a touring collection of high-end Disney cels/backgrounds/conceptual art ended up in a broom closet at a Japanese university, where for several decades no one had a clue as to what they were.)

But, yeah, if the Kenshin community can do a catalog of their common holdings, then that would certainly be a kick in the pants for the collectors of CCS, FY, AnC, Hunter x Hunter etc. to do the same, and eventually you'd have a linkable series of searchable catalogs.

But for that to happen I think the professionalism of curators across the board will need to take a big leap forward. (Golly, there are days when even I can't figure out which book has a certain cel of mine ...)

moonrabitt · Post by **moonrabitt** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:44 am

Now not many seem to be going for it. So why not begin a small proto-type?To show that it IS possible!!!!!! "Cause arguing won't get us anywhere....

I guess that we could start by linking different sites together. Like getting members to make sites and then link them all together (or that's my cheap way of doing it, since my html skill is not advanced enough to make anything complex)So one member has some scenes, another one has other ones, and they all are linked to from a main site.

Problems posted and solutions:
1). It's too hard....
Answer=
We could START a group over at MSN. I think that this would be the best IDEA....(It's easy to set up and maintain)
Example of a group:
http://groups.msn.com/InuyashasIsland/_whatsnew.msnw

2). There are too many anime ....
Answer=
Now...at this point, I guess it should start of with some anime (or many) I'm not really sure up to how many pages you can make with MSN groups..but that group has like 50....I guess we can always make more groups....

How to set it up:
Then what you do is put the name of the anime on the left column, and on that main page list the ep #'s. After that on the page # you can put the cels and their numbers and link to their gallery....
It may sound hard, but it's not..it will just take some time....
-At the moment, I don't mind helping ^_^

But the question is, how many pages can you make with MSN groups? and with what anime do we start

And also, what size should they be???

3). Avoiding inquires....
Answer=
If someone wants their item to remain "anonymous" (that no one know that they have it) they could just email the moderator and have them post the item using their name. The item will then be linked to a page that says "item is hidden, so no inquiries please". I think that this solves one of the problems that members have posted....

4).Someone could just erase the whole thing....
Answer=The page would just have a few moderators, the rest of the people can post their cels (to be added to the list) on the "photo page"

5). Why try? We already have the RB search.. ....
Answer=True..true....but if you want so find a cel from...let's say...Ep #1 of Inuyasha, you will have to go trough TONS of pages..and don't forget that some people don't even write descriptions, or even give their cels titles...so how do you find it then????

6). What about people who sell their stuff? ....
Answer=All you need to do is change the link that the cel is linked to....

7). It's too overwhelming, there are tons of cels out there ....
Answer=True...but it summer (free time for some) and we could always make new pages, or groups ^_^

So someone make a group, and if you need help, ring-a-ding

star-phoenix · Post by **star-phoenix** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:28 am

Hey everyone. I am not sure if this has been mentioned before but,
Is there a way to set up a program/database where each person can have their own individual accounts, and each person can just register their own cel (in other words, upload the cels themselves) onto the database? That way, it will be more voluntary, and will not require one person doing everything. It would all be a joint effort, and completely voluntary.

moonrabitt · Post by **moonrabitt** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:39 pm

star-phoenix wrote:Hey everyone. I am not sure if this has been mentioned before but,
Is there a way to set up a program/database where each person can have their own individual accounts, and each person can just register their own cel (in other words, upload the cels themselves) onto the database? That way, it will be more voluntary, and will not require one person doing everything. It would all be a joint effort, and completely voluntary.

Well yep, the discussion has been about how that can be done. One person suggested making a universal Rb account where we all edit, another person suggested making a website like Wikipedia.....The question is, who writes the script?? Or makes the accounts and using what program....

I think that it's easiest to just make multiple msn groups...because you don't have to make a site from scratch using that method, you can also make accounts and add stuff (we just need to make everyone Moderators). But then we need a way to keep random people (without cel sites) from deleting stuff and so forth....

Or does anyone one have another suggestion? I have not made a website in a long time, so I don't know if there are any new hosters and such...

duotrouble · Post by **duotrouble** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:41 pm

moonrabitt wrote:3). Avoiding inquires....
Answer=
If someone wants their item to remain "anonymous" (that no one know that they have it) they could just email the moderator and have them post the item using their name. The item will then be linked to a page that says "item is hidden, so no inquiries please". I think that this solves one of the problems that members have posted....

So I have to ask . . . are y'all thinking about taking information out of people's galleries that are displayed online or is it only from people who are willing to participate?

moonrabbit wrote: so the idea about being "anonymous" sounds nice. But then I though that the point was to locate where your wishlist item is.....

And this is exactly why I don't want to be annoymous. I don't want my stuff registered. I don't have my phone number registered either. Is the point so people can call you? Yeah, and those people I want to talk to have my number.

The people who I have their wishlist cel . . . oh, I'll guarantee you most of them have my site already. We are all collectors here. We know how to search for a wishlist. And we all know the years it can take to find it. But isn't that part of the fun of this hobby? The search. If you take that away, it spoils things for me.

glorff wrote:I think that the overwhelming nature of this project is escaping you.

I agree. It's a HUGE project not worth your time. I'm fine with a "who collects what series" list as I know another collector who already has a list like that of about 50 series. Although, he should update it since it states I still collect Cowboy Bebop and the Big O.

But a list of what episodes, cuts or even down to the sequence numbers? I'm out! I get harassed enough as it is somedays. I don't need to make it easier.

zerospace · Post by **zerospace** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:27 am

duotrouble wrote:I agree. It's a HUGE project not worth your time. I'm fine with a "who collects what series" ... But a list of what episodes, cuts or even down to the sequence numbers? I'm out! I get harassed enough as it is somedays. I don't need to make it easier.

I completely agree with this!

I'd possibly be willing to do some work on a "who collects what series" site (one that would require the collector to list him or herself), but I would most certainly NOT be willing to work on a site that registers individual cels down to the sequence or cut numbers. That's just total insanity, IMO.