Beta Awards 08 - Guidelines & Submissions

[cutiebunny]

Yeah...sorry if there were some inaccuracies on the front page. I wrote it after getting about 4 hours sleep and working all night....ugh.

Anywho, as WC mentioned, I'll modify the Settei definition to include 'Model Cels' as many US and Japanese animation firms have used model cels as well.

It's close enough in the process for me to add 'Shikishii' to the list of standard catagories, especially since a pixel width has not been formalized. Hopefully I won't get any "Nooo! I had all my submissions planned out!" e-mail, but you never know.

So, that brings us up to 30 standard catagories and 3 optionals. Assuming that everyone who voted will submit artwork, I'd say that's a good offering.

Once a pixel size has been decided upon, I'll take you up on your offer to create a new thread with the updated rules. I posted the update to help give partipants an idea of all selected catagories, and to also help Zero work on the programming aspect of it.

Once again, I really want to thank everyone for their ideas in the submission process.

[Krafty]

I second Moop's suggestion about expanding the Manga/Comic category to include original art like shikishi, as long as the art is not actually something else, like a hanken. Shikishi are pretty rare and unusual, they deserve some kind of recognition.

I think that including shikishi is a step too far. I find these sketches to be really personal, almost sacred and I'd feel uncomfortable about voting for one over another. Grading a professionals' impromptu sketch given directly to a fan doesn't feel right to me. Fan art is a similar thing that I don't like to judge. I don't feel that strongly over genga or manga panels because of the way it's created for a company where there is a level of detachment between the artist and the end product.

Still, that's not meant to influence the rules of this year's event, it's merely how I feel about it.

[Belldandy16]

(sorry i dont feel like reading everyone's posts to find my awnser)

are we submitting our entries now? do we PM someone or do we just post links to our entries here?
and what are the final rules for submissions?

thanks alot!

[wELCOME cONSUMER]

I don't think shikishis should have their own category. Not that they don't deserve it, I just don't think there are enough of them to make a viable category. It would make more sense to add them to the Comic category and perhaps renaming that category (Original art? I don't know).

[Killua]

I think including shikishi with original comic or manga art might be unfair to the shikishi. They're very rarely done with an even comparable amount of detail. Don't get me wrong--they're really awesome. I just can't see how it'd be a fair comparison. I'm personally leaning towards them having their own category.

[RoboFlonne]

(sorry i dont feel like reading everyone's posts to find my awnser)

are we submitting our entries now? do we PM someone or do we just post links to our entries here?
and what are the final rules for submissions?

thanks alot!

Oh the Rules are not finalized yet! And you can't send entries until the rules are made!

Gold Knight will announce the rules when they are finalized!

Not to interrupt the process here I just wanted to say that once y'all have decided on all the rules, categories, etc. then if you'd like you can PM me what you would want to post as the "official" rule page and I can make it a global announcement that is also locked and therefore can't be posted to. If there are questions they can use this thread. That way people aren't sifting through pages and pages of posts to find the rules. Just a thought.

[Belldandy16]

ah okay, thanks buddy!

[wELCOME cONSUMER]

I think including shikishi with original comic or manga art might be unfair to the shikishi. They're very rarely done with an even comparable amount of detail. Don't get me wrong--they're really awesome. I just can't see how it'd be a fair comparison. I'm personally leaning towards them having their own category.

Originally, I was going to say I agree with your sentiments because I feel the same way about the detailing but still maintain to disagree with them having their own category because I assumed there were not a lot of them around. I did a brief search on RS to see roughly how many were posted there, just as a fast and loose reference. Turns out, there are quite a few and apparently some collectors are really into them. So, I guess there are plenty of them, certainly enough to make a category on its own. CB already listed it as its own category in the first post, so there's no need to change it. If anything, I'm kind of jealous now and wish I had my own.

[kathpatty]

First time also....what fun
Can't wait

[Moop]

So, I guess there are plenty of them, certainly enough to make a category on its own.

The idea of combining them with comic art was more about keeping the number of categories the same, but if that's not an issue, I'm glad to see that they have a category of their own. They include some of the most awesome artwork on (and off) RS.

[cutiebunny]

(sorry i dont feel like reading everyone's posts to find my awnser)

are we submitting our entries now? do we PM someone or do we just post links to our entries here?
and what are the final rules for submissions?

thanks alot!

I updated the first post in order to make things a little easier to follow.

Submissions will begin on November 14 and continue until November 17. I wanted to provide time to all participants, and also to Zero who is kindly making the site for us.

Zero's plan is to allow you to be able to upload directly to the site. In previous years, we emailed them. The set-up for the site is still being worked on, so, Zero can inform you as to how the submission process will occur as the site progresses.

I've opened up the 'shikishii' catagory to all original industry signatures, as many people opt to have their sketches, posters or cels signed instead of buying the paper to have a standard shikishii. However, I ask that if an item(ie. poster) was signed, that instead of scanning the entire item, to focus solely on what the person signed and/or drew. The catagory is being judged on the quality of the signature and its accompaning image, not the media's design which it was drawn on.

[bran-chan]

Some quick questions.

American animation can be entered also right? And I've followed the links to the 2005-2007 award pages, were there any before then?

[pixie_princess]

I've opened up the 'shikishii' catagory to all original industry signatures, as many people opt to have their sketches, posters or cels signed instead of buying the paper to have a standard shikishii. However, I ask that if an item(ie. poster) was signed, that instead of scanning the entire item, to focus solely on what the person signed and/or drew. The catagory is being judged on the quality of the signature and its accompaning image, not the media's design which it was drawn on.

So its ok to scan/include the whole thing if the person who gave the autograph also drew you a sketch, right? Just wanted to make sure.

Also another question... last year custom backgrounds (commissioned or otherwise) were allowed to be included with their cels. Is this still allowed, or are we going for original/copy of the original matching Backgrounds only?

[cutiebunny]

Good questions!

Some quick questions.

American animation can be entered also right? And I've followed the links to the 2005-2007 award pages, were there any before then?

Artwork from any country, as long as it pertains to this genre. In order words, no matter how beautiful, no fans, native masks, MOS hamburger wrappers, unless, this was the media you chose to have someone sign.

I wasn't around on this site before 2006, so I can't tell you what was done before that. Perhaps one of our more experienced members can fill us in as to whether or not there was a BA prior to 2005.

So its ok to scan/include the whole thing if the person who gave the autograph also drew you a sketch, right? Just wanted to make sure.

If the person who gave you an autograph also drew a sketch, you can submit both the sketch and the signature.

I know I can't directly link to my gallery, but in my shikishii section, I have a poster signed by two artists. In cases where a poster or something else that was pre-printed and has a design on it is signed, only the areas where the item was signed can be submitted.

Also another question... last year custom backgrounds (commissioned or otherwise) were allowed to be included with their cels. Is this still allowed, or are we going for original/copy of the original matching Backgrounds only?

I have no problem with custom backgrounds being scanned to a cel submission. It's almost the same as scanning an item with a non-matching background. However, if you want to submit a custom background on its own, that will need to go in the Fan Art catagory.

[wELCOME cONSUMER]

I might have missed this somewhere, and I'm sorry if I did miss it, but why is the Settei category optional? I can understand Hentai and Animated being optional, both for submitting and for voting, but what reason was given for making Settei that way?