Beta Awards 08 - Guidelines & Submissions

Moop · Post by **Moop** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:47 am

I assume that the reason repros are not allowed into the Hanken category is that the ones which have been made are, essentially, copies of already existing cels, rather than cases of bringing otherwise unavailable pieces of artwork to life. In which case...are repros from cel based anime allowed into the other categories? Because they, too, are just copies of already existing cels - which hypothetically means that the original production cel would be disqualified if someone entered the repro first.

And yes, I still dislike the idea of any mass produced 'art' in the awards...but this would be the ultimate in bleh.

kizu · Post by **kizu** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:49 pm

I tried reading through the pages but couldn't find my answer. However I wouldn't be surprised if it went pass over my head completely. LOL. So please humor me and answer a few questions...

1) Are stitched images allowed? Also is cropping out the watermark allowed? I remember before there was a rule that digital enhancement/embellishment was not allowed.

2) I am really confused about the death/dead category. It was said that this includes "injured" already. So does the injury have to lead to death? What if one is injured and doesn't die directly from it (but dies afterwards)? Or does this category allows "injury" per se (not related to any death at all)?

3) Settei... There was a mention of no "copy settei", so does this mean only original hand drawn settei is allowed? Since settei is usually a copy for reference of animators, I guess this rules out all settei that are not hand drawn...

Thanks in advance.

moonrabitt · Post by **moonrabitt** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:16 am

They have mentioned this, but there are too many pages @_@, they probably will add the info to the sticky so here goes:

kizu wrote:1) Are stitched images allowed? Also is cropping out the watermark allowed? I remember before there was a rule that digital enhancement/embellishment was not allowed.

No watermarks....you can inhance sketches but not too much or they will look like copies....and you can stitch if it takes several scans to get the image.....

kizu wrote:2) I am really confused about the death/dead category. It was said that this includes "injured" already. So does the injury have to lead to death? What if one is injured and doesn't die directly from it (but dies afterwards)? Or does this category allows "injury" per se (not related to any death at all)?

It does not have to lead to death, but should look like it, or great pain. Since some people may not have seen the anime, they don't know if a character is dying and so forth...

kizu wrote:3) Settei... There was a mention of no "copy settei", so does this mean only original hand drawn settei is allowed? Since settei is usually a copy for reference of animators, I guess this rules out all settei that are not hand drawn...

Ya....Only Originall Settei are allowed ...

ALSO...the sticky says:

3) If you submit any artwork for consideration in this contest, you must vote for all catagories, with exception of the hentai and animated galleries. These catagories remain optional to vote in and are optional to submit artwork to.

Settei should be added to it...

zerospace · Post by **zerospace** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:23 am

Moop wrote:I assume that the reason repros are not allowed into the Hanken category is that the ones which have been made are, essentially, copies of already existing cels, rather than cases of bringing otherwise unavailable pieces of artwork to life. In which case...are repros from cel based anime allowed into the other categories? Because they, too, are just copies of already existing cels - which hypothetically means that the original production cel would be disqualified if someone entered the repro first. And yes, I still dislike the idea of any mass produced 'art' in the awards...but this would be the ultimate in bleh.

I would think you are correct. Out of curiosity, how many cel-based series' do you know have repros? Before CG, I didn't think too many shows had repros out there (I know YYH has them

). I could see a repro cel being entered and then its sketch.

I'm not too keen on the idea of repros being allowed, either, but cutiebunny made that decision--I'm just the technical help.

majinuub · Post by **majinuub** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:02 pm

Moop wrote:are repros from cel based anime allowed into the other categories? Because they, too, are just copies of already existing cels - which hypothetically means that the original production cel would be disqualified if someone entered the repro first.

That would be an interesting situation. But I think the chances of this happening would be slim. The only series I know that used repros cels prior to digital production are FY, saint seiya, and YYH.
Also, I agree with you about the idea of letting repro cels in, but I'm thinking of entering a repro myself

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ashenfairy · Post by **ashenfairy** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:24 pm

majinuub wrote: That would be an interesting situation. But I think the chances of this happening would be slim. The only series I know that used repros cels prior to digital production are FY, saint seiya, and YYH.
Also, I agree with you about the idea of letting repro cels in, but I'm thinking of entering a repro myself .

Sailor Moon has a few opening repros as well. I'm pretty sure Dokyusei2 has some as well.

wELCOME cONSUMER · Post by **wELCOME cONSUMER** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:37 pm

I've seen Captain Harlock, Queen Emeraldas, Macross and Gatchaman repros, as well as copious American series and movie repros, occasionally used for promotional purposes or typically retail purposes. It was a very common practice for Disney, Warner and even Bluth studios. I think repros for pre-CG series are not unusual but they are done in such limited quantity, they can be rare finds.

Moop · Post by **Moop** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:02 pm

zerospace wrote:(I know YYH has them ).

Does it?? I had no idea.

majinuub wrote:But I think the chances of this happening would be slim.

So do I - probably somewhere between zero and none.

It's not so much that I think it's going to happen...it's just the concept that bothers me.

At any rate, here is an incomplete (mostly because it's out of date, I think) but surprisingly long list of animes that have had repros made: http://www.fukushuu.org/cels/reprolist.php Very few of them are CG. Of course it includes chroma cels and such, but the majority of them appear to be hand painted. (And by the way, did anyone bother to to put the official nix on machine made repro cels...or are they being allowed, too?

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Belldandy16 · Post by **Belldandy16** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:51 pm

oh hey guys i have to tell you,
my friend wont be able to do the awards for you. he is in the navy and right now he is swamped and doesnt have time.

i could try my hand at making something but i know it wouldnt turn out very well seeing as i dont have any good paint programs (appleworks is the best i have ... kinda like the MAC version of MS paint).

im sorry guys,
can anyone else take over for us?

zerospace · Post by **zerospace** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:05 am

Not to worry, belldandy16 ... I think we can get someone else to do it. I've got a friend who's quite good with graphics, so perhaps I can persuade her to take over.

Belldandy16 · Post by **Belldandy16** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:28 pm

oh thank you so much!

usually he's not that busy but lately its been quite hectic for him unfortunately.

thanks again!

Cordelia · Post by **Cordelia** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:03 am

Hi

A few queries:

- do we have to name the file a certain way like last yr when we submit?
- Max width is 600 px for pan cels, what abt the height?

Sorry if these questions were answered before, thanks.

moonrabitt · Post by **moonrabitt** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:40 pm

Cordelia wrote:Hi

A few queries:

- do we have to name the file a certain way like last yr when we submit?
- Max width is 600 px for pan cels, what abt the height?

Sorry if these questions were answered before, thanks.

Not sure where I read it, but it went along the lines of "name it whatever you want, since the people in charge will Re-name it"

Not sure on the height, all it says is:

2) Maximum pixel width size for all standard size cels/douga/artwork is 500 pixels, 600 for all pan/oversized artwork. You may submit artwork that is less than this pixel size, though. Regardless of the size of the item, the total file size can not exceed over 300k. Standard size artwork is roughly 11.89 inches x 9.5 inches (302mm x 241 mm), while a pan or oversized item is much larger than this standard.

I'll look for a page quote on that one...
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I have a question, since you can enter people that are not really dying in the "dying" category...Can you also enter someone that looks "Villainous" but just for the moment and not really in the series in the "Villainous" and so forth?
I'm pretty sure it would come up eventually....Just wondering....

ReiTheJelly · Post by **ReiTheJelly** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:13 pm

Cordelia wrote:do we have to name the file a certain way like last yr when we submit?

Nope - the server will automatically rename the files, thanks to Zerospace!

Post by **JWR** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:57 am

I rechecked the 1st page and did not find yet a final guide on how you wish the file sizes for submission. Sorry if it has been discussed and decided for I'm too lazy to go post by post through this thread to find it

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I have figured out what I want to submit in which catagories but would like to rescan to the proper sizes and prep my submission so when the summissions window opens all I have to do is remove my email from saved draft and sent it.

This is what was used last year and I believe it worked well.

"For display purposes, everyone must submit entries that are exactly 300 pixels wide (even if it's an oversized item, painting, or pan). There is no file size (kb) limitation, but I request it be optimized in some way. These 300 pixel wide images will be used in lieu of thumbnails. Additionally, entrants have the option to submit an additional version of this same image as large as they want, which will be made available to voters via a link directly beneath the 300 pixel image.

This method will accommodate dial-up users, so they don't have to click the links, and should also appease lovers of huge images. If a kb adjustment is absolutely necessary, I'll take care of it on my end.

I realize some scanning, re-scanning, resizing, cropping may be necessary to meet this requirement, which is why I'm telling you now. Any submissions received that are not exactly 300 pixels wide or not accompanied by a 300 pixel wide version will be returned to sender and a correction will be requested. Please submit entries without watermarks or logos."

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Beta Awards 08 - Guidelines & Submissions

Should all viable catagories be divided into a cel and sketch section?