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ok, i need tough love my friends...

Post by Belldandy16 »

and a really good kick in the uknowhat. X| lol

i posed this blog a few hours ago and i didnt know how many people read these but i really did need people's input...and tough love.
http://www.rubberslug.com/gallery/weblo ... els&w=6530

i really have to get myself back in order here. i just need to stop playing around and get my head strait again. :bawl

BIG thank you everyone in advance who would reply!
/thx

and big hugs to you all! :ghug:

*well some background info... you know how you just can sometimes look at the big picture and its just stareing you in the face but you just.... i dont want to say are in denial (about our financial situation) but idunno, maybe that is the word? because its been stareing me down for i have no idea how long but im just like, *blank stare* :wow:

ive just spent way too much money unwisely and seriously need to think about what i do before i do anything anymore.... and i need help figureing out how to do that. :hurt:
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I already posted this on your weblog, but I will post it here too because I think its relevant to a lot of collectors, especially the new ones (a group that I still consider myself a part of). I think most of us, if not all, have been there before.

Just a little background about my financial situation: I don't have much $$ right now because I am in school - I make like $75 a week, but I also live at home, have no kids and go to school so I don't have any expenses. I don't even have a car payment - its paid off. But I do have some credit card debt that needs to get paid off this summer. So, even though I love cel collecting and I am addicted, I always have a little bit of nagging guilt when I buy high end cels. I buy most of my cels over the summer when I am out of school and working full time. I am a big fan of over-looking some cels that I want and saving my money for the wishlist cels as much as a can because I always feel that the next wishlist is right around the corner...

But this is what I figure: Ya, the economy sucks and we should all be saving our money and trying to get ahead, BUT you have to have some pleasures in your life every once in a while too, so I think spending some of your money on a cel or two doesn't hurt. Plus, its not like you are "wasting" your money because in the long run, they will only appreciate in price. So, buying a cel is a splurge but its also an investment.

The key is moderation and spending your money on the RIGHT cel. I agree with hajimenokizu on your weblog. You should try to figure out which cel(s) you could absolutely not walk away from. I would try to visualize each cel that you want in your gallery - whichever one gives you the the greatest feeling to know that you own it. I usually use this test as well: If I can see myself selling the cel later on to purchase a wishlist I usually will not go for it. That way, most of the cels in my gallery will reflect what I love the most. Also, that perfect cel might not always be a higher-end cel. For example: Even though there are a bunch of high end cels (some wishlist) on Ebay and on dealer sites that I want right now I decided to pay extra on my credit cards this month. But to satisfy my craving for a cel, I recently bought a cheaper cel of Scooby-Dum (but still a great shot) and it felt really good. Sometimes this is the better way to go.

In this hobby there will always be cels that you miss out on. There is just no way to get around it: either the timing was wrong or you had no money or someone outbid you, etc. And it really is painful to miss out on cels. I actually keep a hidden section of my gallery where I list all of the cels that really, really hurt me to lose. I have a picture of the cel, where it was being sold, its price and the reason why I couldn't purchase it. I really recommend doing this because it helps you to better understand your buying habits and to understand what makes you the happiest as a cel collector. I would also recommend having a hidden section of your gallery where you list all of the cels that are on sale that you want (kind of like a "live wishlist"), complete with photos, price and where it is being sold. That way you can also keep track of your desires and figure out what you want to spend your money on next. When you see all of the cels you want together in one section, its a lot easier to make choices. Together, with your wishlist, I think its a great tool to help keep you on track, so you don't spend your money on cels that you won't value as much later on. Right now, in my hidden section of cels that I want, if you added up all their prices, it would be thousands and thousands of dollars. Of course I can't afford them all and some I will lose. And if I miss out on some of them and am really sore about it, I just move them into the "lost" section, pout for awhile and then try to get over it. :l

When I loose out on a cel, this thought usually comforts me: not always getting what I want in this hobby is one of the things that make it so exciting and fun. It is also what makes each collector's gallery unique. We are all limited by our budgets in some way so our galleries only reflect our greatest values. When I save my money for a wishlist, it is that much more satisfying because I know that I've worked hard to get it.

Also, if you start to get too upset or overwhelmed by all of it, remember, its a hobby and it is suppose to be FUN. Don't torture yourself for missing out on cels and don't overspend to the point where you don't even enjoy the cels anymore. I almost got to that point in January when I overbid on Mandarakes BWA. I sold some nice cels from my gallery to save my butt, but just the stress of it almost ruined my enjoyment of the moment. You know you made the wrong decision when you've won the cel and you have a sinking feeling in your gut about it, instead of feeling like celebrating. I think thats a worse feeling than missing out on wishlist cel.

So, if you need to ignore the cels for awhile and focus on other expenses, its ok. You will get better at understanding what is important to you as a collector. And remember, no matter what happens, there will always be great production art that will come along in the future, so there is always be something to look forward to. :yay
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thank you! :D
i sent you a pm.

and thank you hajimenokizu and Kathpatty!
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Post by miz ducky »

I think I'm the only one who posted to your blog and said not to buy cels at all.

Cels are not important. Period.
When you run into financial troubles you'll just have to turn around and sell them anyway (and likely lose money in the long run).
So why put yourself in that situation in the first place? Take care of the things that are really important.

Pay OFF your CAR!! When you no longer have car payments then you can start putting some money away for the fun things and you will no longer be paying the Bank for your loan.

No nonsense here. Take care of your business before you spend money on fun things.
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thanks Ducky! i appreciate your thoughts! :)
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Well, in addition to the excellent advice so far, here's a little different viewpoint to consider. Do what it takes to make your collection grow to your vision. If that means scrimping on other expenses, juggling credit cards, car payments, food, etc., so be it. You are a collector! There's no need to diminish that exalted state of being! Passion is such a great thing to have, (actually, it's the only thing, but that's another story) so if you are passionate about your collection and your aim is true, then you won't have regrets about a purchase even if it is a little daring from a personal finance point of view.

In my younger years when I was not very financially secure, I still managed to build little collections of beautiful things (decorative arts; pottery, glass, paintings). Some of my purchases were downright imprudent, but significantly my only regrets are for the things that I did NOT buy. Not necessarily because I couldn't come up with the money, but because I was being too conservative, or afraid of paying "too much", or used the money for something "more practical" that is long since forgotten.

There will always be pressing expenses, bills, obligations, debts, etc. ad nauseum. But when something good comes along, sometimes you just have to revise your priorities and get it. You're not likely to look back and say, "Gee, I wish I'd bought such-and-such cel a couple years ago when it popped up. But I'm eternally grateful that I paid off my credit card instead!" Sometimes you just have to ask yourself, "Is the money worth the money?"

Also, while I'm sure you've heard it before, a collection is not an investment. You are trading your money for something, and that something is only just what it is. Your money is gone (pffft!), and now you only have the something, not the money. If it's at all important to you that it hold its monetary value, then don't buy the something. This is especially relevant when you're talking about artifacts of popular culture like animation cels and drawings. These things have no intrinsic value. Their current market price is purely an artificial construct, subject only to the collective whim of others who are as crazy as (or crazier than) yourself.

However, please consider who this opinion is coming from here. When I was a kid, I had a little record and picture book set of "The Ant and the Grasshopper" fable that I loved to listen to. But I could never understand why everybody (grownups mostly) thought the ant was so great. I wanted to be the grasshopper! How he fiddled and danced and feasted! Sure he suffered and died in the winter, but oh how he lived and enjoyed the fullness of his life in the summer.

So sorry; no tough love here. I hate to take the role of an enabler, but go ahead and buy everything you possibly can, subject of course to your own aesthetic filter. Collecting really is an act of finding and trusting yourself, of the triumph of beauty over reason. Because after all, in the immortal words of e.e. cummings, "feeling is first."
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thank you for your perspective! :D
i appreciate it! :)
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I don't feel it's my place to tell others what I think they should be doing, so I'm turning this around and saying what I did when I was a poor college student.

When I was in college, money was tight, but I still really wanted to buy cels. I ended up working multiple jobs, and I set aside a different bank account where extra cash went in. If I wanted a cel and there was money in that special account, I got it. If there wasn't, I didn't.

I narrowed down what I collected depending on funds available. Often, this meant I'd only collect cels from one series (Slayers). Sometimes I'd narrow it further to wish scenes. A few times I narrowed it to only wish scenes that involved my favorite character (which explains the high % of Xelloss cels in my collection).

I still do similar if I'm saving up for something. For example, I'm hoping to buy a home later this year. Right now I'm collecting from Slayers only, and only items on my extended wishlist (stuff I've been wanting for years, but may not be listed in my posted wishlist). Is it tough for me to stick to this? Sometimes... but when I have a home of my own, I think the effort will be worth it :-)

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Personally, I go with passion.
There are some real gems in my eyes, in my gallery, and they're there because I scrificed here and there in order to get them.
Car payments and bills for life will always be there, if not the car, then the oven explodes or something. There will always be something else requiring your attention.
I have a really fantastic limited edition doll that I got late last year that was outrageously expensive, but I ate nothing but peanut butter and jelly sandwiches an entire month, and made my husband brown-bag it to work, and I made the payments for him! :bny I adore that doll. And don't regret the sacrifice.
If the fantastic calls out to you in a voice you can't deny, you'll find other things just pale in comparison, and the sacrifices really aren't any more.

But that's just me. Life it too short to stress yourself to death. :wink:
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I agree with all of the advice given so far. Personally, I *still* try to put myself on a budget in terms of cel-buying. Whatever I make in overtime is exactly what I can spend. If I do not use it all that month, I can carry it over to the next.

When funds are limited, it's important to keep yourself to a strict plan. That way, when an item that you really want pops up, you won't feel any regret about going after it. Ocassionally, I get the urge to purchase something, so I try to stay with something reasonable.

One thing that sticks with me in this hobby is how much work that I had to go through to get any item, not in terms of bidding on YJ, but how many hours of overtime and how many weeks I chose to brown-bag my lunch(instead of buying one of those $10 burrito meals at the airport...) to help pay off that item.
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I wish I could remember the straw that finally got me to stop overspending, but I just can't remember. It's been too long ago already.

I remember during my first full two years of collecting I used to keep two paper lists in my wallet. One list was the list of cels that I was thinking of purchasing. That list often had five to seven cels written on them. With that list I kept reminding myself why I should or shouldn't purchase those items. The second list I kept in my wallet was a list of rules I should follow to decide what cels I should get.

The two lists didn't help me control my spending very much, but they did help me narrow down a little what I should be concentrating on the most. Eventually I just came to the decision to spend less. It just had to done and I did it. But I've known a few collectors that got tired of the overspending binges and decided to get out of the hobby completely. I miss them, but I guess that was what was best for them.

Everyone must do what's best for their own situation. :)
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thanks so much, guys! :D
I just found out yesterday that i have a new reason to put my collecting on hold...
our school district is facing a massive budget shortfall and they have to layoff more people now (this is the third time this has happened this year alone ). :hurt:
noone knows who will get laid off (it kinda feels like russian roulette). even vital people can get laid off. It happens on the first of may so *hopefully* it wont be me or my mom this time around (she works for the school district too).

so hopefully we will still have a job on the second of may. X|
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When I was a college student, I took on extra jobs to pay off cels. As time went on, I kept going over my limit and buying cels that were more and more expensive. Because of this, I actually acquired some nice cels which are worth much more today. But then there's a limit to everything. I graduated and was looking for a job and living on my savings. That's when I decided to cut back or even stop buying cels. It's not easy because when things are down, the more I feel like buying X|

I nearly wiped my savings clean during that period, it was a good thing I didn't carry on buying cels or I would have to turn to my parents which would be unbearable :roll:

So where is your limit? You've built up a nice collection in a short span of time. If buying more cels is taking away some enjoyment of the hobby, then perhaps you might want to consider stopping. Because, as what toonybabe said, there will always be other wishlists popping up. It may or may not be the exact same one, but you'll find things to lust after. :^^: Meantime, dwell on the positive - admire what you have :)

Good luck about the job situation!
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:hurt: Well good luck to you and your mom! I hope you both are still standing after they do the cuts!
Hang in there, it's got to get better eventually, right?
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I think collecting has actually been good for me. It's kept my financial awareness high. What can I afford, how can I save money, what can I do without. I'm not a big spender, but I'm content with what I've been able to acquire over the years.

When I was in college and dirt poor I missed out on all the nicely priced quantities of Tenchi cels that were available. It bothered me at the time, but that's how it was. Since then my interests have shifted, I've found other things to fill my collection with... and oddly enough now that Tenchi isn't hugely popular anymore, nice things turn up now and then.

It's hard when you miss things at the time, but if your collecting horizon is long enough, time will be on your side. In the short term you have to take care of yourself and protect yourself/family financialy. In theory you also protect your collection in the process. The chance to buy new cels is pointless if it forces you into selling off your collection.

eh, my 2 cents of disjointed advice.

PS. Bought my first cel in almost a year yesterday, a rather large dry spell for me. Finally tackled my retirment finances last year, put things in place, and I am now ready to start picking up the occasional cel again. : )
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