Original art collectors please take care...

iriakun · Post by **iriakun** » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:42 pm

To be honest, I do that for fans and I am pretty sure they won t do anything in mandarake....

Silvrdrago · Post by **Silvrdrago** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:34 pm

Yeah fakes are pritty common sadly, one of the first cels i ever bought on Yj turned out to be a fake (rinkya saved my but on it by catching it when it came in and rejecting it)

those drawings on YJ i've had people telling me they were fake for many months now, i know of one of the deputy servis rejecting that sellers items several months back

In general anything nice ghibli related on Yj is very suspect, nausica and san are the biggest targets, i've seen alot of fakes over the years and sadly i know of serveral collectors that have some in the collection and haven't relized it yet.....course give the odds anyone with enough cels probubly have atleast one....even myself

sometimes you've got to know the pedigree on anything highend, and if you don't know (ie just turned up on YJ from unknow seller) don't buy it if you have any doughts

but fakes aren't limited to cels and autographs, i've been seeing them start to show up in the paper goods too genga and such, their not too common, but they do show up.....only way to tell is to compare them to know originals and they typicaly don't match (use worung paper or style) the time between when the show first hits the air and the realy paper goods start flooding the market is when they show up, people trying to make a buck of the pent up demand and with no real ones to camepair them too people fall for it

but oh well it's a problem in all hobbies, just part of life, need to be educated and carful

-chris

lunasea · Post by **lunasea** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:38 pm

FYI, I saw more fake shikishi on YJ recently, so be careful of these sellers, and their auctions.

http://openuser.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/user/lindbergmy (He is selling all Rumiko Takahashi ones, but they're all obviously faked, the signatures are not even close to the real one)
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m71316422
http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k122594556
http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r64251386

http://openuser.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/user/mkt_mafia
http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/134801801 (I know this one is faked, as I have the magazine showing the real one, they look different)

iceman57 · Post by **iceman57** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:28 am

Simply boycott YJA...

cutiebunny · Post by **cutiebunny** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:43 pm

iceman57 wrote:Simply boycott YJA...

That's a stupid idea. Boycott the auction company because a small group of people chooses to sell counterfeits?

How is it the auction company's responsibility to ensure that items are properly listed? Should they send a task force to every lister's address to make sure that the item is not counterfeit? Should they click on every listing and, using some mega database, run it against known legitimate versions? And how do you really do that when you have sellers that use crummy cellphone pictures of their items? Some items, such as Louis Vuitton purses, have really good counterfeits out there.

Most of these sellers have at least one negative feedback from selling counterfeit shikishi. And if they don't, they're probably a 'new' seller(the same counterfeiter with a new account), and in which case, you should be doubly sure to avoid them until they have a solid reputation.

iceman57 · Post by **iceman57** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:34 pm

cutiebunny wrote:
iceman57 wrote:Simply boycott YJA...
That's a stupid idea. Boycott the auction company because a small group of people chooses to sell counterfeits?

Not at all, because...
Here we go...

1. They are counterfeits (and consequently counterfeiters) on this item's source.
2. No invoice available for collectible insurance policy.
3. Maintain the EDO era with the non japanese sale policy (back in the 19th century, yeahhh).

cutiebunny wrote:How is it the auction company's responsibility to ensure that items are properly listed?

This is called "customs" and "counterfeit repression department", I've no idea of the exact department nomination in every country but customs generally handle the job.

cutiebunny wrote:Should they send a task force to every lister's address to make sure that the item is not counterfeit?

Nope, they have "sell terms", you simply have to report an infringment on those terms

cutiebunny wrote:Should they click on every listing and, using some mega database, run it against known legitimate versions?

They do it everyday on a parse selection of elements. I just landed in Berlin the last weeks and saw the "Ebay building" close to the airport, a tripod with 10 floors buildings. They are people in, working on...

cutiebunny wrote:And how do you really do that when you have sellers that use crummy cellphone pictures of their items?

Japanese cellphones are the best on market, so they have to switch for a more recent one with a 5mpx camera

cutiebunny wrote:Some items, such as Louis Vuitton purses, have really good counterfeits out there.

Buy counterfeit especially on luxury goods is illegal and entertain child work, war and terrorism. Think about next time before to buy fakes.

cutiebunny wrote:Most of these sellers have at least one negative feedback from selling counterfeit shikishi. And if they don't, they're probably a 'new' seller(the same counterfeiter with a new account), and in which case, you should be doubly sure to avoid them until they have a solid reputation.

By creating multiple accounts you can easily fool this and set your own solid reputation with hundreds of perfect sales.

Additionnaly :
Don't think I'm listing all of this answers to reduce the number of competitor on YJA on items, but this is simply a matter of wise choise as any company does with any supplier. Buying goods requires to balance prices and garanties with risks. I don't play the YJA game and encourage people to do so, simply to cut down this fake's production market.

Gabe · Post by **Gabe** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:54 pm

iceman57 wrote:Simply boycott YJA...

If you're afraid of fakes you have to boycott Mandarake as well.
YJ is only a safe place to win or buy Artwork if you deal with the right people there.

iceman57 wrote:I just landed in Berlin the last weeks and saw the "Ebay building" close to the airport, a tripod with 10 floors buildings. They are people in, working on...

The Building will be soon History.
Ebay is closing the doors and cutting off jobs there in the next few months.

Killua · Post by **Killua** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:45 pm

Bwahahaha.

Sure, every art collector should boycott YJ!

Meanwhile those of us who won't boycott it...

iceman57 · Post by **iceman57** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:54 am

Gabe wrote:
iceman57 wrote:Simply boycott YJA...
If you're afraid of fakes you have to boycott Mandarake as well.
YJ is only a safe place to win or buy Artwork if you deal with the right people there.

Mandarake company use the mention replica, and if by any bad luck you get a false art, you have an invoice for refunds and trials.

Gabe wrote:Ebay is closing the doors and cutting off jobs there in the next few months.

Ja, ich hab schon gehÃ¶rt auf es, aber es ist ein ganz gross platz und hat schon dauert ein paar jahren

Killua wrote:Bwahahaha. Sure, every art collector should boycott YJ! Meanwhile those of us who won't boycott it...[/size]

I just focused on multiple fakes sources centralised on YJA, nothing more.
So to preserve more easily from fakes, simply cut down this source.

lunasea · Post by **lunasea** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:36 pm

More faked shikishi on YJ. This is a perfect example of building up the positive feedbacks by buying lots of cheap items (20 to 100 yen) recently, and now he sets up an illusion that he is a reliable seller.

http://openuser.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/user/loveryjay
http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w50121570
http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r65627123
http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w50121220

zerospace · Post by **zerospace** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:43 am

And since YJ so kindly separates feedback as a seller and feedback as a buyer at the top of the feedback page in a nice little summary... I always pay attention to the seller role feedback

. I see that person has 2 feedbacks as a seller. Heh.

cutiebunny · Post by **cutiebunny** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:34 am

A few weeks ago, there was a seller that was selling signed shikishi of all the main characters from Slam Dunk. Since those ended in the $800-$1K range, there's been an upswing in counterfeits from that anime. Maybe someone should have mentioned to the counterfeiter that there should probably be some signs of aging on the shikishi as it was 'signed' 17 years ago.

Oh well, I guess the counterfeiters are trying to take advantage of the "Golden Week" bonus that many Japanese workers receive.

lunasea · Post by **lunasea** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:02 pm

Another batch of faked shikishi, it is happening every week now, buyers beware!

His Rumiko Takahashi's signature is so fakes...

http://openuser.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/user/driogew
http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d106536387
http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g85334156
http://page11.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n82512039
http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e99095636

This guy is even more obvious, he just bought a few very cheap stuffs between 20 to 90 yen on the same day, now he is selling several expensive and rare shikishi...

http://openuser.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/user/lindbergmy
http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r65683955
http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f86854300
http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k128710713

lunasea · Post by **lunasea** » Sat May 01, 2010 10:45 pm

Other than the faked shikishi based on the popular manga artists, this interesting one is based on game / doujinshi artist, Tony Taka. And here is the direct comparsion

Here is the faked one:
http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g90953965

And here is the real one (top right image):
http://shining-tears.jp/info/shop_sale.html

cutiebunny · Post by **cutiebunny** » Tue May 04, 2010 8:12 pm

More fakies -

http://openuser.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/user/ieejqoo

Love the really bad Kishimoto signature. It looks like the artist couldn't remember the hiragana for his name....