Bringing Cel Collecting into the 21st Century and etc.

[Jadeduo]

Okay so now that we have decided on a HUB model...

1. We need a name suggestions would be highly appreciated!

2. Does anyone know who owns the keys to the Beta facebook page?



3. Also we need some more volunteers! Don't make me break out my pom poms!

[cutiebunny]

I'm all for calling the site "No Porn" because that way, it won't be filtered as porn.

...Wha...what do you mean it doesn't work that way?

[Angelic-Lair]

Okay, so no gallery hosting. What exactly would this be, then? It seems that the draw of RS is the gallery hosting combined with the interactive features all on one site. Dropping the gallery hosting sounds like a bad idea for a RS successor (one opinion).

We understand the intent is not RS 2.0, but we aren't clear about what this might become. It should be awesome. ^_^

If we're set on staying away from hosting galleries, there should definitely be a section on creating your own gallery (sites to go to, like Wordpress, etc. and maybe some site-building tutorials), to at least tie in the gallery feel. Maybe a section of gallery links for member sites? Sort of like a Rolodex of online cel collectors. ^_^

Just a couple of thoughts.

[Drac of the Sharp Smiles]

I've been following this conversation with interest and I got the feeling that this new site was intended to act like a central signpost of sorts, directing people to different cel collector's interests. Maybe I'm wrong? I will be very interested to watch it develop. I wish I could help in some way, but coding is something I've almost never done.... some BASIC when I was a kid and just enough html to be able to put up a very plain website. Nothing that would help with something like this.

[zerospace]

Okay, so no gallery hosting. What exactly would this be, then? It seems that the draw of RS is the gallery hosting combined with the interactive features all on one site. Dropping the gallery hosting sounds like a bad idea for a RS successor (one opinion).

We understand the intent is not RS 2.0, but we aren't clear about what this might become. It should be awesome. ^_^

Yes, this is NOT meant to be an RS successor at ALL. The problem with creating an RS successor is not just the time it would take to develop it, but also the data storage and bandwidth (data storage volume and the issue of hosting adult images). Despite a lot of folks being willing to pay, I sincerely doubt there are enough who would want to foot the real cost of running what would have to be, essentially, an enterprise-grade server. My suggestion is to teach people to use what is freely available from companies who are willing to give out that kind of bandwidth & storage for free to create their galleries. The site would be meant to help those people SHARE those galleries with the rest of the collecting community without actually hosting the galleries themselves. Make sense?

What has become evident to me while selling a lot on eBay these past 5 years or so is that there are SO MANY collectors who aren't on RS or Beta or anywhere, really, except social media and similar kinds of sites (Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, etc, etc). I get a lot of images of people's existing cels shared with me via these means. So my thinking is, if we want to see these folks be a part of the cel community, we need to reach them with modern communication methods (which isn't BBS's anymore).

If we're set on staying away from hosting galleries, there should definitely be a section on creating your own gallery (sites to go to, like Wordpress, etc. and maybe some site-building tutorials), to at least tie in the gallery feel. Maybe a section of gallery links for member sites? Sort of like a Rolodex of online cel collectors. ^_^

Yes. Right there, you seem to get the idea .

Drac -- any way you can or would like to help would be great. The more people to get involved the better! Neither JD nor I want to "own" this thing. We just want to actually see it happen, so we're stepping up.

Peeps, think of this site as a seriously upgraded Animanga on steroids (but without the forum, and without being dependent on one person to create the content or add to it). People in the community can and should be able to post new relevant info & personal gallery updates and perhaps a team of active mods can simply approve or kill anything that doesn't belong. The details and nuances will have to be worked out as ideas get fleshed out, of course. In theory, we could create a community Wiki page, too.

Also, my idea is to create something that can be hosted almost anywhere, as its needs should be minimal. This way, transfer of ownership is relatively simple. If I'm coding it, it will require PHP and MySQL (which is the same as what's required for hosting Anime-Beta as well ).

[JWR]

What this project is sounding like a site that was around in the early days and only recently closed down this year Animeturnpike

https://web.archive.org/web/20050214025 ... ipike.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_Web_Turnpike

[Angelic-Lair]

Thanks for the links, JWR!

And yes, that looks like what's being described. Not exactly bringing cel collecting into the 21st century, is it?

[JWR]

Thanks for the links, JWR!

And yes, that looks like what's being described. Not exactly bringing cel collecting into the 21st century, is it?

I would not put it that way. Since Anime Turnpike did close a year ago it did create a void as a one place to go to find links to information on anime sites such as thru it I found Roberts Anime Corner online shop I still buy from today, found dealer sites as well as information of series I knew nothing about.

[cutiebunny]

Come on...Positive vibes!!

In any case, I'm not going to judge a site before it's up and running. Zero's crazy awesome with coding, and I know she'll do a bang-up job.

Yeah, hosting images is pretty expensive. I use imageshack, and their new model is $3.99/mo for basic and $29.99/mo for medium(up to 1Tb of data) and $99.99/mo for their top grade. I'm not sure if anyone really wants to foot the $300+/year bill just for image hosting.

[nowherekid85]

What has become evident to me while selling a lot on eBay these past 5 years or so is that there are SO MANY collectors who aren't on RS or Beta or anywhere, really, except social media and similar kinds of sites (Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, etc, etc). I get a lot of images of people's existing cels shared with me via these means. So my thinking is, if we want to see these folks be a part of the cel community, we need to reach them with modern communication methods (which isn't BBS's anymore).

Totally agree with this and I would love to see what you guys end up coming up with! It would be great to see a site that's more in tune to the modern types of social media. I'm mostly on FB and Instagram. I couldn't get into Twitter, and I visited Tumblr once and almost immediately gave up on that site lol.

Wish I could contribute somehow, but I lack any sort of skills that would be helpful.

[zerospace]

Angelic-Lair: Then please, by all means, feel free to ignore us and leave this thread for those who want to see this project go forward. Thanks.

JWR: No offense, but seeing as you are Jason and RS's biggest cheerleader, I'm not exactly surprised at your lack of enthusiasm. If you aren't interested in this, please leave this thread and those who are alone. There's no harm in what we're doing, so why the negativity? If you're so sure we'll fail, then why not let us just fail?

Oh and one other thing -- the referenced Anime Web Turnpike is NOT what we're describing at all. That was simply an anime database, in essence (and something like that still exists in the form of Anime News Network). This is meant to be a communications hub for cel collectors, first and foremost. Informational stuff would be a great addition, simply because people here on Beta have wanted somewhere to put up a reference site for good thread material for a long time. Perhaps the wiki part would be similar to the Turnpike, but this is not meant to be for anime in general nor is it simply to be a large wiki, either. If that doesn't make sense to you, then you'll see what we're up to when we get it going. In the meantime, please do us a favor and stand aside if you don't like it. No one is forcing anyone here to be a part of anything.

[zerospace]

What has become evident to me while selling a lot on eBay these past 5 years or so is that there are SO MANY collectors who aren't on RS or Beta or anywhere, really, except social media and similar kinds of sites (Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, etc, etc). I get a lot of images of people's existing cels shared with me via these means. So my thinking is, if we want to see these folks be a part of the cel community, we need to reach them with modern communication methods (which isn't BBS's anymore).

Totally agree with this and I would love to see what you guys end up coming up with! It would be great to see a site that's more in tune to the modern types of social media. I'm mostly on FB and Instagram. I couldn't get into Twitter, and I visited Tumblr once and almost immediately gave up on that site lol.

Wish I could contribute somehow, but I lack any sort of skills that would be helpful.

Seeing as I've never used Instagram myself, your insight on how it works would likely be useful!

[JWR]

Thanks for the links, JWR!

And yes, that looks like what's being described. Not exactly bringing cel collecting into the 21st century, is it?

I would not put it that way. Since Anime Turnpike did close a year ago it did create a void as a one place to go to find links to information on anime sites such as thru it I found Roberts Anime Corner online shop I still buy from today, found dealer sites as well as information of series I knew nothing about.

JWR: No offense, but seeing as you are Jason and RS's biggest cheerleader, I'm not exactly surprised at your lack of enthusiasm. If you aren't interested in this, please leave this thread and those who are alone. There's no harm in what we're doing, so why the negativity? If you're so sure we'll fail, then why not let us just fail?

Funny but what is it when someone starts their comment with "No Offense" you know that what is to follow will be an attack.

If you actually understood my response to Angelic-Lair whose comment I took to be a bit of a shot at this project, I did say that your project if done right would be a positive and fill a niche that opened when Anipike closed up.

As far as my being a "cheerleader" for RS, guilty as charged but since you have already stated that you are not planning to set up a replacement image hosting as part of this Hub due to the amount of work and expense I would have no reason to oppose your project which by the way I have not. But when you choose to brand anyone who even asks a question, makes a neutral observation as a "Hater/Debbie Downer" you lose support of those who are curious and might be willing to help. You may already drove off a newbie Maxsidous from your project if not the community as a whole.

You want this to have community input but are not willing to listen if something does not fit your preconceived ideas.

[Jadeduo]

Haha Zero, I didn't even notice the Unikitty comment until I went back through the thread to make sure I didn't miss anything. I LOVED Unikitty, everyone I know personally is like, "that is so you..." As I tend to be YAY EVERYTHING, and Then.... DIE! But it takes quite a lot to get me to that point so no worries! ^_^ *happy Rainbow thoughts, cotton candy?*

Okay so it looks like quite a lot happened while I was taking a break yesterday trying to clear my scanning pile, so I was like it will be fine! *sighs, shakes head* Okay so I'm going to say something again and this is just a general BLANKET statement, which applies to EVERYONE, if you do not have anything POSITIVE to contribute please leave the thread. I have a lot on my plate right now the least of which is Physical Therapy... So I don't want to mediate here, I want all posts to this thread to only relate to the project or positive vibes towards the project. From here on out, NOTHING ELSE.

I don't care if you've had history with someone, and it's not good... Check it at the door. If you want to work on the project you have to work with everyone, and you have to keep it positive. It doesn't have to be crazy cheerleader, like how I run things. BUT there is no negativity allowed whatsoever! - Unikitty ^_^

Okay so our idea for this project is to sort of create a social media hub for CEL collectors, in which we would tie in the outside RS Galleries, Beta, RS, related social media accounts, a new keep track, etc. It is not to be an RS replacement! I agree with AL that a tutorial of the basics of gallery creation would be a great addition to the hub, as well as is the Technical Cel Info Wiki/Information site. I don't know if I would want to create a Wiki persay though as the ads on the wiki sites are horrible, and ads are something we could think about but much further down the line.



Funding Commitments!!, Jadeduo, Cutiebunny, Kuroitsubasa, and Lunacels.

For Time COMMITMENTS

Development: Zerospace, Lunacels says she would be willing to learn some basics to help out.

Testing, Copy/Paste Coding: Cutiebunny, Jadeduo

Content - Cel Collecting Primer: Still working on this, I have updated the thread viewtopic.php?f=61&t=30629 Go there to volunteer, and add your thoughts.

We still need a name for the Hub, and comments/suggestions from our volunteers, take ownership guys this will be ours as a community so the more people that get involved the better!

List of possible features? Who would like to tackle that? Now that I've hopefully cleared the air.

JD

[cutiebunny]

I'm all for encouraging Maxidious to also create his own website, whether that be an RS-ish type site or whatever else he wants to do. Just because one project is going on, doesn't mean otjer projects shouldn't happen. Putting his creative juices into something would be good, and may lead to another alternative to hosting on other sites that others may want to use instead. I want to see what you come up with as well, Max, even if you just decide to make an awesome gallery for yourself. Don't let this thread discourage you from this hobby and what you want out of it.